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From: "Jenny" <Jenny@imabadlittlegirl.comOOOHSPAM>
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Subject: Re: Rest In Peace
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 03:44:24 +0100
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see i pressed the wrong button and sent it to you by mistake not the group,
and it bounced so heres what i meant to say the first time round :)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "klaatu" <klaatu@alt-teens.org>
Newsgroups: alt.teens
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rest In Peace
>
> >Jenny:
> >learning to pour concrete for the past 12 years
> >may almost have been more productive if i'm honest!
>
> klaatu:
> wow - odd the way that works out;
> have met at least fifty people who've said variants of:
> 'You work like a dog to get your PhD,
> and then you wonder why you bothered.'
>
> a bunch of 'em quoted this book:
>
> >"All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten"
> >by Robert Fulghum
> >
> >"... Wisdom is not at the top of the graduate school mountain,
> >but there in the sandpile...
> >
> >Share everything.
> >Play fair.
> >Don't hit people.
> >Put things back where you found them.
> >Clean up your own mess.
> >Don't take things that aren't yours.
> >...
> >learn some and think some and draw and paint
> >and sing and dance and play and work every day some.
> >...
> >watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together.
> >
> >And remember the Dick-and-Jane books
> >and the first word you learned -
> >the biggest word of all -
> >LOOK."
Pretty much all you need to know summed up right there!
*nods*
i'm impressed
>
> klaatu:
> Fulghum's 66 - that is, 6 years old, replayed 11 times;
> he decided that's about as 'adult' as need be.
> seems to work pretty well for him:
>
> >Toronto Sun:
> >"...
> >He takes a year off every seven for mountain climbing,
> >or being a backstage carpenter, or backpacking around the world.
> >...
> >musings ... evolved ... into 14 million books in 93 countries ....
> >
> >He is also an artist.
> >Once in a while, he strums a mandocello in a pro bono rockband
> >`The Rock Bottom Remainders' with fellow writers
> >Dave Barry and Stephen King and Amy Tan and Barbara Kingsolver
> >and musicians Al Kooper and (once) Bruce Springsteen."
>
> klaatu:
> considering the amount of highly-educated people i've met
> who have assured me that educational excellence
> had no connection to work-competence or success in their lives,
> and that neither competence nor success insures happiness,
> i decided to learn just for fun or specific purpose,
> and skip Educational Systems altogether.
>
> so far, it's been working out quite well.
sounds a good plan to me
may have to follow your lead
i've just wasted the last year in my first year of non compulsary education
learning next to nothing, missing most of my classes and sitting around
drinking way too much hot chololate and smoking too much
best part of it was probably simply the fact i get loads of stuff cheap
cause i have a student discount card
unsuprisingly i wont be going back next year
>
> ---===<}{(o)>X<(o)}{>===---
>
> >> >Jenny:
> >> >changing the whole exam system every couple of years
> >> >till they find something they like
>
> >> klaatu:
> >> hmmm ... wonder what's up.
> >>
> >> if they change till they find some useful method
> >> and then stick with it, once they find it,
> >> that could be good news;
>
> >Jenny:
> >just means lots of people
> >with qualifications that dont really mean anything
> >in the process though
>
> klaatu:
> i understand that one needs a diploma to "get ahead",
> but that 'need' has nothing to do with work or ability to do it.
>
> was told i had to have a high-school diploma
> even to take tests for a job; faked it, took test;
>
> test rated me at 2nd-year college level
> so nobody bothered to check the high-school thing.
>
> what's really weird is that the tester told me
> i was *almost* over-qualified;
>
> if i had come with paper showing 2 years college,
> they'd have turned down my application out-of-hand,
> because "over-qualified" folk
> tend to get bored with entry-level jobs and quit.
>
> he said that based on that test he thought i'd quit soon,
> but he didn't have any official guide-lines on it
> and i looked like i needed a job, so he let it go.
>
> seems to me diplomas are "required"
> in the same way eye-of-newt is required
> as component of a Voodoo incantation -
> as long as everyone believes it's real, everything's okay.
>
> reckon if the System had justice or common-sense,
> one could get any job by proving one can do it well.
see here we just tend to lie about our qualifications
they did a survey not long back and britains pretty much the most dishonest
country in europe and a hella lotta people lie about their qualifications on
their CV because they're never checked up on
>
> ---===<}{(o)>X<(o)}{>===---
>
> >> klaatu:
> >> wonder if it's just different factions pushing their own methods,
> >> with changes coming when other factions take power?
> >>
> >> what's it look like to you?
>
> >Jenny:
> >looks like a fucked new labour government
> >with ever changing education ministers
> >all trying to make out they know best,
> >when in reality they know not a lot
> >
> >our latest blokey in charge of higher education never even went to uni,
> >he's a former post man.
> >helpful
>
> klaatu:
> can't see why they don't make school optional;
> if one's not interested in a subject it won't stick in mind
> no matter how hard and long teachers hammer at it;
>
> contrarily, if one IS interested, one learns without effort,
> so i bet if education were a strictly volunteer-enterprise,
> things would go better for all concerned.
exactly what i've been saying for ages
>
> ---===<}{(o)>X<(o)}{>===---
>
> >> Q:
> >> Are you the beloved and much-missed Jenny of days past?
> >> (welcome, either way - just asking).
>
> >Jenny:
> >tis indeed me
> >i just couldnt stay away :)
>
> klaatu:
> YAY !
> <pounce-tackle-hug>
> glad you're back !
nice to see theres a little less spam than last time i was here
you couldnt see proper posts for the damn stuff last time
and still a fair number of regs knocking about
good good :)
>
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