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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:29:54 GMT
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elag wrote:
> Paul Heslop wrote:
> >
> > elag wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Heslop wrote:
> > > >
> > > > elag wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Paul Heslop wrote:
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> > > > > > elag wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For example in the Little Rascals/Our Gang comedies there's a bit of
> > > > > > > "racial" schtick, but on the other hand they also feature black and
> > > > > > > white characters who are friends. You'll find very little of that in
> > > > > > > other films of the era, which was during the defacto apartheid in the US.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An excellent point. They are indeed friends and the girls aren't always treat as second class citizens either,
> > > > > > though there was a big play on the pretty one getting her way etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, it still sits firmly in the context of its times. More
> > > > > importantly, it fits in with the prevailing Hollywood themes. A lot of
> > > > > the action can be seen as aping typical Adult film ideas and stock
> > > > > characters such as the "Vamp".
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, those stories would play pretty well today with a few modifications.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > >
> > > > I always enjoyed the little movies but when they tried that modern version much of the charm was lost.
> > >
> > > Once again, that's the type of thing I wouldn't even be tempted to give
> > > a second's chance.
> > >
> > > "Algebra, this is no place for you!"
> > >
> > > I never really see the point of trying to recapture the old magic in a
> > > remake. 99% of the time the best practice is to take the price of a
> > > ticket and use it to track down the original.
> >
> > :O) I'm not into remakes either, though my pet hate ATM is American remakes of european cult films. They're cult films
> > because of their environment as much as anything else. Get Carter is considered a minor masterpiece here, where Sly's
> > version is just another gangster film (though it wouldn't have been as bad if I wasn't constantly looking for references
> > to the original)
>
> You'll get no argument from me. The creatively bankrupt beancounters in
> Hollywoodland constantly steal ideas from overseas... even from the
> French, whom they otherwise love to pillory (e.g. The Man With One Red
> Shoe / The Tall Blonde Man with One Black Shoe). And we all know how
> many classic US TV sitcoms are derived from Britcoms:
>
> All In The Family - Till Death Us Do Part
> Three's Company - Man About The House
> Coupling - Coupling (now cancelled)
>
> Of course the influence does go both ways, but not always for the best.
> I hate the way Hollywood is drowning out the once vital indigenous film
> cultures of the world. The British Film Biz in particular has been
> nearly wiped out and replaced w/ Americanized co-productions.
>
>
It flounders and reforms, making enough to exist but not much more. I guess our real problem is convinvcng other countries that
our movies are worth watching.
>
> > I don't think we do, but I know it wasn't shining new either. It's a programme called 'Live at Jongleurs' which is a
> > comedy club over here, and the shows are definitely nineties at least.
> > I've seen American blacks doing the same stuff and it works much much better, but that's due to an outsider's view of the
> > situation in the states. To be honest I've never felt threatened more by black people (or any other colour) than I have by
> > white people, so it would be hard for an English black to do this stuff and make me laugh. I suppose if i lived in a city
> > where race is a big issue it would be different.
>
> Interesting... England as a whole is around 3% black. NYC is about 27%
> Black... but even though there is no longer any "majority" population
> here the difference in "racial" friction is pretty great. The echos of
> history seem to resound forever.
>
There are areas where there is a far higher ratio and the tensions run higher. But I tend to put this down to either nationalism
or gangs, where it wouldn't matter about colour, just gang culture. I have spent years trying to get it through to some people
that what they describe as their dislike for black people is not that at all, but a dislike for black gangsters. Sadly this
subculture is becoming prevalent in cities like Birmingham and gun crime is swelling too. So racist blame ALL blacks for the
crimes and misbehaviour of the few, and ignore the whites who behave int he same manner.
--
Paul.
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