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Subject: Re: Phallic Plate Heads for Oxford
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:24:09 -0500
Organization: Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose
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Paul Heslop wrote:
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> elag wrote:
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> > Paul Heslop wrote:
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> > > elag wrote:
> > >
> > > > Paul Heslop wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > elag wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example in the Little Rascals/Our Gang comedies there's a bit of
> > > > > > "racial" schtick, but on the other hand they also feature black and
> > > > > > white characters who are friends. You'll find very little of that in
> > > > > > other films of the era, which was during the defacto apartheid in the US.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > An excellent point. They are indeed friends and the girls aren't always treat as second class citizens either,
> > > > > though there was a big play on the pretty one getting her way etc.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it still sits firmly in the context of its times. More
> > > > importantly, it fits in with the prevailing Hollywood themes. A lot of
> > > > the action can be seen as aping typical Adult film ideas and stock
> > > > characters such as the "Vamp".
> > > >
> > > > Of course, those stories would play pretty well today with a few modifications.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > >
> > > I always enjoyed the little movies but when they tried that modern version much of the charm was lost.
> >
> > Once again, that's the type of thing I wouldn't even be tempted to give
> > a second's chance.
> >
> > "Algebra, this is no place for you!"
> >
> > I never really see the point of trying to recapture the old magic in a
> > remake. 99% of the time the best practice is to take the price of a
> > ticket and use it to track down the original.
>
> :O) I'm not into remakes either, though my pet hate ATM is American remakes of european cult films. They're cult films
> because of their environment as much as anything else. Get Carter is considered a minor masterpiece here, where Sly's
> version is just another gangster film (though it wouldn't have been as bad if I wasn't constantly looking for references
> to the original)
You'll get no argument from me. The creatively bankrupt beancounters in
Hollywoodland constantly steal ideas from overseas... even from the
French, whom they otherwise love to pillory (e.g. The Man With One Red
Shoe / The Tall Blonde Man with One Black Shoe). And we all know how
many classic US TV sitcoms are derived from Britcoms:
All In The Family - Till Death Us Do Part
Three's Company - Man About The House
Coupling - Coupling (now cancelled)
Of course the influence does go both ways, but not always for the best.
I hate the way Hollywood is drowning out the once vital indigenous film
cultures of the world. The British Film Biz in particular has been
nearly wiped out and replaced w/ Americanized co-productions.
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> >
> >
> > > Last night i watched a comedy show which had three artists, an American (Dave Fulton) a black Brit and an
> > > Australian.
> > > The American spoke of being annoyed at many brit's attitudes to Americans, until he got here and saw how we see
> > > them. He was sharp, witty, angry, foul mouthed and very very funny. The Aussie was crude, sexist and basically not
> > > funny as he only seemed to have one joke.
> > > The black guy I had seen before on a programme aimed at blacks and filled with black comedians. I never understood
> > > this idea, hardly what I'd call liberated, but i digress. He came on dressed as an old man and proceeded to do an
> > > 'act' where he basically pointed out why it was funny him being black and old and playing to a (predominantly) white
> > > crowd. It wasn't funny. Not one little bit. He did all the usual jokes about black guys coming towards you and you
> > > assuming you're about to be mugged or murdered etc and I've seen this done by so many people and it can be
> > > hilarious... but this guy wasn't even trying. He seemed to be saying that as he was black and saying it that made it
> > > funny.
> >
> > Sounds like pretty auld stuff. Are you sure you didn't watch this in
> > 1987? Do you get Def Comedy Jam over there?
> >
> >
>
> I don't think we do, but I know it wasn't shining new either. It's a programme called 'Live at Jongleurs' which is a
> comedy club over here, and the shows are definitely nineties at least.
> I've seen American blacks doing the same stuff and it works much much better, but that's due to an outsider's view of the
> situation in the states. To be honest I've never felt threatened more by black people (or any other colour) than I have by
> white people, so it would be hard for an English black to do this stuff and make me laugh. I suppose if i lived in a city
> where race is a big issue it would be different.
Interesting... England as a whole is around 3% black. NYC is about 27%
Black... but even though there is no longer any "majority" population
here the difference in "racial" friction is pretty great. The echos of
history seem to resound forever.
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