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From: elag <elag@cloudNINE.net>
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Subject: Re: voting machines
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:01:51 -0500
Organization: Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose
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Paul Heslop wrote:
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> elag wrote:
>
> > Paul Heslop wrote:
> > >
> > > elag wrote:
> > >
....
> > > > That's pretty much the story here as well. The Right has moved so far
> > > > to the right that the Left had to inch past the middle to keep pace. Of
> > > > course, the fix is always in for the wealthy.
> > >
> > > Sure is, and it seems to be getting worse
> >
> > Megacorps are practically Gov'ts now. They barely even hide it any
> > more. Italy and the US could be considered the harbingers of Corporatism.
> >
> > "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the
> > merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini
>
> Michael Moore's outlook exactly.
Have you seen any of his films?
>
> >
> > > The tories even did it here during Thatcher years. they realised that they could get
> > > young people to vote for them by offering bigger tax allowances for first time home
> > > buyers etc. Of course once in office they just shafted them again.
> >
> > So, are all their jobs being "outsourced" to India, China, &tc. as in
> > the good ol' USA?
>
> Yep, mainly mainland India atm. It's starting with telephone jobs first. If you've ever had
> a call from an Indian call center you'll know why that's not a good idea. If they picked
> genuine english speaking Indians it wouldn't be too bad, but it seems either they can't
> afford that or they deliberately choose not to. I've been contacted by two Indian network
> workers, neither of which would allow me to join in the conversation, as if their whole
> piece was scripted... very bad policy.
Look forward to more of the same... part of the "race to the bottom"
http://www.newswithviews.com/brownfield/brownfield21.htm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0813368170?v=glance
>
> >
> > > > So, what percentage of eligible Brits vote?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Mori (opinion polls) says
> > >
> > > "turnout at 59% in the 2001 general election was the lowest in any general election
> > > since 1918."
> >
> > Is that 58% of eligible or registered voters?
>
> Over here it would be 58% od everyone who COULD vote. They're pretty good at getting you out
> there, they have called at houses when they note you haven't voted and all parties will put
> on a car for you and if you're alone with the kids they'll get someone to sit with them
> while they drive you to vote. Even that didn't work.
Amazing... in places in the US where voting is 100% by mail, voting
increased quite a bit... maybe by 30 - 40%.
>
> >
> >
> > In the 2000 US elections just over 50% of eligible and over 80% of
> > registered voters went to the polls.
> >
>
> Some will say it's because they disenchanted... we even had the idea of compulsory voting
> put over once!
I can't blame them for being disenchanted. As it stands, it looks like
the choices are always between one corporate party and another. As long
as the process thrives on massive donations from megacorps especially
mediacorps it's difficult to see how it might improve.
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