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I'm going to take this into consideration. Thanks for your input all these
years, Keith.
regards,
john
"Kwigd144" <kwigd144@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031031183803.29188.00000079@mb-m29.aol.com...
> Dear Parry and John (and everyone), I did write it and I kept getting
E-mails
> from the WAH's Fashion Designer who was very mean to me! He could not
> understand the criticism and he started whining to me about how sore his
body
> was from working so hard on the Fashion Show! He called me a, "whack" and
did
> not appreciate the criticism of Brave Destiny in the least. He said the
Fashion
> Show was being true to the, "genre" and that even if Breton were alive
(and
> maybe would not appreciate it), everyone had a good time anyway. Then I
get
> this E-mail from Rene (not our dearly departed Rene but probably Eric or
Xtian
> giving me the business as usual, who knows) and it appears that the
Director of
> the Brave Destiny Show did not have good things to say about that
signature
> list and protest. Here is the complete E-mail and also the E-mails and
> responses that Rene has graciously made available to me and now I will
make
> available to you all. By the way, IT appears that The SURREALISTS pissed
off
> the Brave Destiny's Director and he is making fun of them, which I think
is a
> big mistake in judgement, for he does not know how serious and radical you
> crazy bastards really are, so here is the E-mail and
> enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Subj: KEITH!
> Date: 10/31/2003 1:29:49 AM Eastern Standard Time
> From: rene_crevel@yahoo.com
> To: Kwigd144@aol.com
> Sent from the Internet (Details)
>
>
>
> Someone sent this to me. I tried forwarding it before.
>
> > [disneyNASAborg]
> > _TECHNETIUM_
> > http://www.tc43.com
> > http://www.wnvirus.com
> > http://www.resonant-wave.net
> > http://www.surrealistfashion.net
> > [1].917.721.4437
> > ICQ#106074988
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kwigd144@aol.com
> > To: surreal@tc43.com
> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:10 PM
> > Subject: Dear Surreal, My name is Keith Wigdor. I am
> a Surrealist.
> >
> > Dear Surreal, My name is Keith Wigdor. I am a
> Surrealist. I hope that
> > you are not offended by this E-mail. I just wanted
> to let you know
> > that I believe deep within my heart that your
> organization is
> > exploiting Surrealism and it is really offensive to
> the legacy of
> > Andre Breton. I understand that you are in the
> business of Fashion
> > Presentation, but to consider this Event at the WAH
> Center as
> > Surrealist, is really a disgrace to the legacy of
> Andre Breton. I do
> > respect you and I do not want to offend you with a
> rant, but I must
> > respectfully communicate my feelings regarding this
> fashion show that
> > you have already put on at the WAH Center. There
> really is nothing
> > revolutionary about charging $30 a submission to
> have someone who is
> > really struggling to be known for their fashion and
> artistic
> > creativity, to be presented as Surrealist Activity,
> you can leave
> this
> > up to the Dali Museums, at least they admit they are
> in the business,
> > but I find this Surrealist Fashion Show to be very
> insulting to the
> > legacy of Breton (and though I am a fan of Fashion
> and Daliesque
> > Surrealism), but this is not Surrealism, but if you
> think it is,
> fine,
> > that is cool. I just wanted you to know my feelings
> regarding this
> > matter. We live in such a consumer designated
> society as is, and to
> > see the WAH Center and your organization present
> this event as
> > Surrealism is really off base, but again, I guess
> that you need to
> > make money like any business. If Andre Breton were
> alive today, I
> > doubt he would approve of this event. I wish you
> success though, I am
> > not mean-spirited, I just had to let you know my
> feelings concerning
> > this matter. I hope that you are not offended by me
> writing to you, I
> > just wanted you to know my feelings regarding this
> event and I have
> no
> > ill feelings towards it, I just don't approve of it
> as Surrealism,
> > maybe a little close to Daliesque Surrealism and
> Celebrity Worship,
> > but nothing to do with Breton. Thank You, Keith
> Wigdor, Surrealist
> > PEACE!
> >
>
> Surrealist or not, it was damned fun!!! Terrance
>
> On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 09:24 AM, Yuko Nii
> wrote:
>
> > This came by email to the Williamsburtg Art &
> Historical Center
> > yesterday as a threat to burn and destroy the art
> show and its
> > participants!. Talks about true surrealism being an
> "organized
> > self-conscious" movement, exactly the opposite of
> what it was defined
> > as originally. Also I do not think that surrealism
> stands for
> "radical
> > transformation of the world," rather individual
> self enlightenment,
> > and a sharing of that. Obviously those who signed
> this are
> > intellectually and spiritually retarded! Is there a
> way to educate
> > them? Best to All! Terrance Lindall, Director of
> Brave Destiny
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 06:45 AM, Rene
> Crevel wrote:
> >
> >> CRAVEN DESTINY
> >>
> >> What would you think if someone, after almost a
> >> century of an organized, self-conscious movement,
> came
> >> along and claimed to speak and act for that
> movement,
> >> while remaining completely ignorant of its aims and
> >> principles? This is exactly what is happening at
> the
> >> Williamsburg Art and Historical Center under the
> guise
> >> of their Brave Destiny exhibition, in which New Age
> >> angel and unicorn painters -- led by such wizards
> of
> >> recuperation as Professor Ernst Fuchs, H.R. Giger,
> and
> >> the Society for Art of the Imagination -- conjoin
> with
> >> bourgeois hoopla about cash prizes, fashion shows,
> and
> >> artistic prestige to create a flagrant
> >> misrepresentation of surrealism.
> >>
> >> Surrealism stands for the revolution of the mind,
> for
> >> the manifestation of poetry in everyday life, for
> the
> >> revolt of the pleasure principle against the
> confines
> >> of the existing social reality, and for poetry made
> by
> >> all, not one! Surrealism wants nothing less than
> the
> >> radical transformation of the world, and spits on
> >> anyone clinging to the repressive corpse of
> consumer
> >> capitalism and its art specialists!
> >>
> >> To this end, we will converge upon this exhibition
> >> during its final days, burn the paintings, and hurl
> >> the squirming participants, ridiculous costumes or
> >> not, into the East River!
> >>
> >>
> >> Frank Antonsen, Johannes Bergmark, Daniel C. Boyer,
> >> Eric Bragg, Richard Burke, Susan Burke, Stephen
> Clark,
> >> Tom Clarkson, Andrew Daily, Barrett John Erickson,
> >> Jill Fenton, Sarah Frances, Brandon Freels, Richard
> >> Genovese, Parry Harnden, Dale M. Houstman, William
> >> Howe, Stuart Inman, Philip Kane, Morgan Miller,
> >> Ribitch, MK Shibek, Darren Thomas, Andrew Torch,
> Chris
> >> Webster, Darryl Lorenzo Wellington, Zazie.
>
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