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Subject: Re: Season of the Severed Head, resumed
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elag wrote:
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> > > Parry wrote:
> > > > Sounds like actually saw "Black Sabbath," which I haven't seen but I
> > > > always get Barbara Steele and Boris Karloff mixed up too.
> > >
> > > Yeah, with all the funny retitling done on those flicks I didn't realize
> > > the difference. What did you think of "Sabbath".
> >
> > As I said, haven't seen it.
>
> Woops, I'm getting sloppy again. Okay, what did you think of "American
> Beauty"? If you haven't seen it, you could always give us your opinion
> of local wildflowers.
sufficient depth to venture a considered opinion. They seem like nice
chaps.
> > > My problem w/ translated scripts is that I don't catch as much of the
> > > nuance w/o the actor's delivery, or w/ languages I know (to one degree
> > > or another) the critical differences between the original and the
> > > translated interpretation. Also, it's hard to choose between differing
> > > versions of translations where they are available, though one might
> > > suppose that the newest trans. is best.
> >
> > Sometimes it's nice though to supply your own nuances when reading a
> > script, just as with some novels you might cast the characters and
> > imagine the camera angles that frame the action.
>
> Sure, reading scripts has its place. Most of my experience of theatre
> for example comes from reading scripts. I suppose in the case of film
> scripts I look on them a bit like orchestral scores. I'm much more
> interested in hearing the composition than looking at the little black
> marks on the page. Occasionally, I'll read one but generally I prefer
> to watch the film multiple times instead.
I finally saw it, the movie played out rather stiffly for me, having
> > > I think the 1st two books are pretty readable, though I can see your
> > > point when it comes to Sexus, Plexus and Nexus. I've spent many night
> > > wandering aimlessly through the streets of Manhattan seeing all through
> > > a "Tropic of Cancer" filter. It's like the opposite of a neutral
> > > density filter.
> >
> > I know the sensation you mean, though I've never gotten it from books,
> > probably because I don't go walking after reading. I've often had it
> > after leaving a movie, though. The effect is one of the best things
> > about movies.
>
> I've never heard of a name for this type of experience. maybe we could
> call it "Literary Afterglow" or "Cinematic Afterglow".
after a little timely maintenance.
> > > > Why are you evading the question of pumpkin?
> > >
> > > Ah, pumpkins... they are wonderful aren't they?.. they can be a sweet
> > > pie or a savory soup and even the toasted seeds make a wonderful treat
> > > to say nothing of their marvelous transformation into Jack O' Lanterns.
> > > Think of it, a vegetable into which you might merrily climb... some of
> > > them grow to weigh 100's of pounds.
> >
> > Know any recipes for pumpkin drinks, Chef Elag?
>
> I've never really thought of it but I found a few:
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/on/cucurbitaceae/dk.html
Unfortunately, any drink that includes alcohol just tastes like alcohol
to me. Pumpkin just blended with milk, sugar and spices is actually a
tasty drink. Now if I could only figure out a way to make potato
popsicles.
> > > The noble pun'kin... I'm glad that it's nearly the season when I can
> > > once again gaze upon their orange shiny faces.
> >
> > Hallowe'en's a great time of year, when my own shiny orange face isn't
> > so out of place.
>
> Don't need any make-up, eh? My best costumes were "Death" when I was 8,
> "The Flash" when I was 10, "Psychedelic Trip" when I was 18, and
> "Ancient Roman in Black Mourning Toga".
> > > > > > I thought it was interesting that the shortcuts you took in the
> > > > > > animation worked as a sort of axle for the motion -- the contrast
> > > > > > between the stable parts and the moving parts of the image worked to
> > > > > > your advantage.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is an accepted animation technique, though I carried it out w/
> > > > > exceptional crudity. Figures are usually broken up into layers so that
> > > > > parts not moving in one frame don't have to be redrawn. Hopefully my
> > > > > end result will be far more fluid.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't see it in terms of crudity, though. When Hanna-Barbara looped
> > > > a moving background it was obvious even to a kid that it was because
> > > > they were working on the cheap, but now one can use that technique as
> > > > a sort of quote. So the technique was funny in the context of your gif
> > > > loop. Would the gif have been as funny if the background was more
> > > > realistic? Is over-animation a danger, where computers can insert the
> > > > twisted reflections of passing scenery on the spinning hubcap of a
> > > > car? Do audiences come to regard such pointless detail as a mark of
> > > > good animation?
> > >
> > > I'm not overly fond of such (over)animation, though a few judicious
> > > computer effects can liven up even cel animation. I'm reacting against
> > > such things in striving for a certain simplicity and cartoonishness and
> > > even crudeness in my concept. My own attitude is sort of anti-D1sney
> > > and against the trend towards naturalism. Nevertheless, my end result
> > > will be less crude than my tests, but I'm still not sure exactly what
> > > they will look like.
> >
> > I suppose such choices are what create meaning in a work, and suspect
> > technology-driven animators will over-animate things just because they
> > can.
>
> That is definitely a trend, but I would always expect the majority to be
> hack work anyway. If you think about the early days of animation, it
> was always about technical innovation and tricks and flash, like the
> Fleischers 3-D turntable effect and the multiplane camera. The ease of
> using computers will encourage a lot of empty spectacle but it should
> also allow the inventive independent producers to create interesting
> pieces cheaply and so more freely.
difference between film and video editing, is that the first is a
hands-on experience and the other is more abstract. I wonder if the more
intimate nature of the former is in some ways reflected in the final
work.
> In contrast to tech tricks, I've been reading about a technique used in
> cel animation by the late Shamus Culhane (he worked at all the major
> studios from the '20s to the '60s and wrote "Talking Animals and Other
> People" and "Animation: From Script to Screen"). He had a high speed
> animating technique which involved drawing a scene (on many sheets of
> animation paper) very quickly almost w/o thinking about it... sometimes
> drawing only an eye or an arm... just enough to suggest the action while
> allowing for later clean up work to pull the drawings into final form.
> It sounds like a kind of "Automatic" Animation.
McLaren too found a near automatic technique by drawing directly onto
technique and worked at considerable speed. It looked like doodles
spontaneously coming to life.
> I doubt I'll get to the point where I'll try try it as it's the kind of
> thing that can only come out of spending years mastering the traditional
> techniques which I'll likely never use. It is also reputedly very hard
> on the wrists and I have enough problems w/ incipient Repetitive Stress
> Injury as it is. It remains a very intriguing idea to me, though.
carpal tunnel syndrome. Working with a computer mouse, on the other
hand...
> > > I'm glad you had fun anyway....
> >
> > Gee, I hope you didn't take my remix as an affront.
>
> Nah, I rarely get annoyed by remixes in this forum. (It reminds me
> about what I said about nuance and text) Most posts can be considered
> fair game.
>
> > Perhaps I should have been more liberal in my alterations: Blank and White descend
> > through the 3 levels of the NY sewer system where they battle the
> > bastard children of Cinder-Cat to death over orts of food.
>
> The cinder-cat could be a funny character.
character.
> > Sure, then you could be trendy and buy new vinyl releases of things
> > like the Rolling Stones' "Between the Buttons" for only a few dollars
> > more than what the cd costs. Actually, New York would be a great place
> > to own a record player. There's a vast, strange universe waiting in
> > those used vinyl stores.
>
> Yes, and because of the DJ culture you can find whole stores full of
> nothing but beats, ambient noise and pop cultural samples... but then
> you'll need 2 turntables.
Have you been to a place called Norton Records? I know they operate, or
used to operate, out of New York but am not sure if they were strictly
mail order.
-- Parry
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