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From: elag <elag@cloud9.net>
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Subject: Re: Elag...concrete art
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 01:39:44 -0400
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Parry wrote:
>
> elag <elag@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:<3F4C3BE6.63BDCD03@cloud9.net>...
> > Parry wrote:
> > >
> > > elag <elag@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:<3F38B8BC.8462C6CF@cloud9.net>...
> > > [snip for length]
> > > > Sure, what's really needed is a 3-D sonar map of the island so that all
> > > > the underground cavities can be interpreted. Then any promising areas
> > > > could be investigated w/ fiberoptics and core sampling. At any rate I'm
> > > > not convinced of the sinkhole theory either. After all, people buried
> > > > things all the time in the days before insured banks.
> > > >
> > > > > > In another place
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.oakislandtreasure.co.uk/natural.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I read:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "A natural pit was in fact discovered in 1949 on the shore of
> > > > > > Mahone Bay, five miles to the south of Oak Island, when workmen
> > > > > > were digging a well. Just as with the 'Money Pit', reports of a
> > > > > > stone platform and layers of logs invoked the excitement of
> > > > > > another pit yet given the geographical behaviour of this area,
> > > > > > such flights of fancy were soon dismissed."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > so it's not unreasonable to consider that the "Oak Island" legend has a
> > > > > > similar genesis.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wouldn't think they have a similar genesis, as this latter story is
> > > > > obviously a copycat.
> > > >
> > > > I'll need a cite before I'll believe that. Everything I've read leads
> > > > me to conclude the opposite.
> > >
> > > No citation, but given the year of the find and that it happened just
> > > five miles from Oak Island, it should be a safe assumption that the
> > > people there had Oak Island in the back of their thoughts.
> >
> > Sure, I don't argue w/ that, but going only by what I read it seems
> > likely that they might have encountered the same combo of decaying
> > organic matter flagstones and odd geology that might have led the
> > original treasure hunters astray. I concede that a copycat prank is a
> > distinct possibility, but I've never read any report that implied it.
> > Not that I want to spend any more time doing research, mind you...
> >
> > > On the other hand, the Oak Island story appears unique. I haven't heard
> > > another buried treasure story like it.
> >
> > Yes, I suppose that's so.
> >
> > The "Lost Dutchman Mine" is another interesting treasure story:
> >
> > http://www.prairieghosts.com/dutchman.html
>
> The combination of greed and madness usually makes for a good story.
> It's nice that after the mountain decapitates and mutilates
> treasure-hunters it flips them the bird. It's not surprising that so
> many deaths have accrued in this rugged terrain over the centuries.
> Probably a comparable number of fatalities have happened at the
> picturesque falls near here, and that's without guns being involved.
I do love these old stories though. Here's another interesting one
about an undersea treasure hunt in this area:
http://www.simonlake.com/html/explorer.html
a bit on the tragic side... from "Treasures Beneath the Sea" (R. Silverberg)
"Simon Lake's story had no happy ending. The fame rightfully due to him
for his pioneer work on the submarine never came to him, and neither did
the gold he sought so eagerly in Hell Gate..."
>
> > > > > As a last footnote to the tale, I just read in Fortean Times that the
> > > > > site's owners have the land up for sale: "We're asking $7 million.
> > > > > [...] If we factored the buried treasure into the price, we'd be
> > > > > asking for $50 million." If you have the scratch, I have a shovel. The
> > > > > article also notes that the Oak Island Tourism Society failed to raise
> > > > > the money to buy the place, and despair that it will be developed for
> > > > > luxury housing.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, that'll just be another "Money Pit". Maybe they could build the
> > > > buildings around the pits so people can go and asphyxia... explore them
> > > > in their spare time.
> > >
> > > It's the Canadian way. If an affluent joe wants a cottage, historical
> > > interest be damned. Heck, we shoot natives rather than give up our
> > > golf courses.
> >
> > Hmmm... I thought that the Canadian Gov'ts dealings w/ the Natives were
> > a lot more even handed. Is there an interesting story behind the reference?
>
> Actually, I conflated two stories. There was the so-called "Oka
> Crisis" in 1990 in Quebec in which Mohawks barricaded highways to
> prevent a golf course expansion into burial ground land. The
> provincial police launched a violent assault on the barricades in
> which a cop got killed; afterwards federal troops replaced the
> provincials and a deal was brokered. The other incident was in
> Ontario, in 1995 I think, when Stoney Point First Nations natives held
> a peaceful occupation of Ipperwash Provincial Park, again over a
> burial ground issue, and again a violent assault by provincial police,
> this one killing native Dudley George.
Thanks for the info... am I the only one thinking "Dudley Doright"?
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