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Subject: Re: 14 July 1789
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Dale Houstman <dmh7@citilink.com> wrote in message news:<3F3145AE.6040102@citilink.com>...
> Paul Heslop wrote:
> > Dale Houstman wrote:
> >
> >>Paul Heslop wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Yeah, I have one of them # things... but to my blurry eyes it just looks
> >>>like a dead insect on the screen.
> >>>I knew Dale was only joking re the coffee, and he's probably right about
> >>>the group going downhill, though I don't recall, in the short time I've
> >>>been here, it being anything else.
> >>
> >>Whether it's "going downhill" or not - of course - depends on one's
> >>expectations. But since it is a group supposedly dedicated to
> >>surrealism, and since surrealism DOES have a VERY well-documented set of
> >>desires and procedures and processes and... on an on...it really doesn't
> >>take a genius to observe that the group has devolved from its own
> >>subject matter.
> >
> >
> > Definitely. I wasn't around when it came out or even for that long... in
> > fact I think you pointed me in this direction. It has basically become a
> > group where people who like surrealism talk... and where a handful of
> > people attack each other none stop.
> >
> >>>I think we did a couple of threads
> >>>with continuing bizarre writings which as far as I was concerned were
> >>>surreal, funny and what i expected, then the usual suspects started
> >>>having a go at everyone and it seems, basically, you can have normal
> >>>conversations about whatever or you can join in the 'bash everyone else
> >>>because they don't do what you do' gang.
> >>
> >>This is an example of why the group isn't what it might be: surrealism
> >>is NOT just about "bizarre writings" good or bad: it was (and continues
> >>to be - on good days) a philosophy of cognition and a revolutionary
> >>approach to the transformation of life.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I know. I agree that there was a certain way of life, a lot of
> > which I don't actually recall thinking too much about. I guess as I
> > became interested at a very early age I was more concerned with the
> > visuals than with the philosophy. I've never been a greatly political
> > person (unless people like chuck or Josh get up my nose) and I'm not
> > really into destroying people's views on art just because they don't fit
> > my own.
>
> "Art" is precisely what surrealism was born to destroy: it is the
> commodification of imagination.
>
> >
> >
> >>>I mean keith pisses me off royally, but I'm not going to base my life
> >>>round his postings. I killfiled him with reluctance when i couldn't open
> >>>the group without seeing 600 new 'messages' which were just spam. I
> >>>don't know what drives him or his alter ego nor the people who seem to
> >>>be totally engrossed in him.
> >>>
> >>>This group may aswell be dead.
> >>
> >>True: but I enjoyed the stuff about instant coffee, so if we could just
> >>rename it "alt.bizarrewritingsandriffsonthemistakesofthemodernworld" I
> >>would have no complaints.
> >>
> >>dmh
> >
> >
> > I don't see why it can't exist as it is, except people come in, read all
> > the in fighting and bugger off. Someone new enters the group and are
> > basically drawn into the fighting. Are any of us true surrealists?
>
> Good question of course. My answer? Yes - I am.
>
> dmh
I am not a lable, but was born a labler. But the ladle that is my
mime has been particularly inspired by the broad spectrum of work of
Bunuel, gabriel Garcia Marquez, Ionesco, Beckett and Terry Gilliam.
I no i am very much against the established political ordeurve and if
these things make me a surrealist, bo see it. This seems to me as a
bewnie to be a great group, full of non sequiturs well done.
Gotta go, hair's on fire. Gotta find some moar gasoline real quick to
put tit out.
Bunwell
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