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Subject: Re: Elag...concrete art
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 02:01:31 -0400
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Parry wrote:
>
> elag <elag@cloud9.net> wrote in message news:<3F18D0CC.C3F6DA2F@cloud9.net>...
> [snips]
> > Parry wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hey, I've always pined for my own theatre where I can show Stan Brakhage
> > > > > > > > films, Silent movies, and Black & White cartoons... pay as you exit.
> > > > > > > > Maybe people over there might be bored enough to take a chance on
> > > > > > > > distinctly opposite fare. I could charge 5 bucks to attract all the
> > > > > > > > cheapskates and deadbeats and maybe even break even. I could rent all
> > > > > > > > those really obscure films I've only read about and that you hardly ever
> > > > > > > > see even in NYC.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A common daydream of my own, too. When the train station closed, I
> > > > > > > imagined hollowing out the building and projecting Von Stroheim movies
> > > > > > > in it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nice coincidence... I was just wondering about the name of the director
> > > > > > of "Greed" (1924). Sometimes I confuse him w/ Otto Preminger.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe, someday I really can realize my idea on some level. After all
> > > > > > I've seen films & screened my films in places which were little more
> > > > > > that storefronts, bars, rooftops, &tc. I'll have to watch for an opportunity.
> > > > >
> > > > > A new daydream: touring remote areas of South America, Africa and Asia
> > > > > with a projector, generator, and handful of films, screening them
> > > > > wherever the hospitality seems right to feed and shelter you for the
> > > > > evening.
> > > >
> > > > I know that this sort of thing goes on in Australia New Zealand and
> > > > China where a film projection team equipped with a 16mm projector still
> > > > travels "as a guerrilla unit" from village to village.
> > > >
> > > > I believe I saw a docu on the subject but I can't turn up any concrete info.
> > > >
> > > > So rest assured that your dream is somewhere a reality. Let us rejoice!
> > >
> > > It would be great to observe audiences who aren't jaded to film.
> >
> > I find myself picturing the audience at an early Lumiere bros. show...
> > "Help! That train is heading right for us! Help!!!"
>
> When Brazil's horror director Jose Mojica Marins was blasklisted from
> theatres under the military dictatorship, he would travel the
> countryside and screen his films at fairs and amusement parks. His
> blasphemous "Coffin Joe" movies must have made a big impression on the
> conservative christians who saw them. Marins was reviled as a monster
> and "Coffin Joe" entered into the popular vocabulary. Wish I could
> have seen the audience response firsthand.
That's an interesting story. I'd never heard it. It'd make a good documentary.
>
> > I wonder if a film deprived society would prefer early simpler fare from
> > the early days, like Porter's "Great Train Robbery" or the cutting edge
> > in Hollywood escapism like "The Hulk"?
> >
> > I guess the latter but it might make an interesting study.
> >
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > I have read about that, probably in the trivia laden "Reader's Digest".
> > > > > > > > It would make a great formula for building Ice Hotels and sculpture gardens.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You read "Reader's Digest"? No wonder you're so smart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not like I have a subscription... It's just that you tend to find
> > > > > > it in toilets (where it belongs)... and I happen to have found one of
> > > > > > their books of "Strange Stories, Amazing Facts &tc"... actually quite
> > > > > > interesting if you only have 45 seconds reading time...
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't be snarky here as I have some Reader's Digest material myself.
> > > > > For instance, there's a songbook designed for family fun, but the
> > > > > guitar-fingering they propose is needlessly difficult. Watch gramps
> > > > > break his wrist while trying to go from an Ab diminished with a G to
> > > > > C9 playing Bye Bye Blackbird. But I like to attempt their chord
> > > > > changes just to see where my mistakes lead.
> > > >
> > > > I play guitar a bit and yes it does sound like intentional torture...
> > > > probably the editors just copied and pasted w/o a thought about carpal
> > > > tunnels...
> > >
> > > I suspect in the 60s publishers hired frustrated composers to
> > > transcribe the music. You could find sheet music for radio pop songs
> > > full of weird chord configurations, which if you tried to play
> > > wouldn't sound anything like the records.
> > >
> > > > I was just saying to a prospective guitarist that you really
> > > > only need to know 7 basic chords in order to play simple songs... not
> > > > everyone even wants to be a Segovia.
> > >
> > > Even three chords will get you a lot of songs.
> >
> > Sure, any Ramones song...
> >
> > > Learn two chords and you can play mine.
> >
> > Y'all could just tune that gee-tar to an open tuning... then you could
> > play any chord you want.
> >
> > I always thought that the guitar made an even better percussion instrument.
>
> Have you ever seen Fred Frith play?
Actually, yes... at the Knitting Factory, I think. He is the sort of
imaginative player I admire.
>
> > > > I like the idea of improvising on fingering errors. I was always a
> > > > sloppy player myself, but it does lead to unexpected places at times.
> > >
> > > I'm not a good guitarist, but fortunately I enjoy discordant music.
> >
> > Schoenberg on one string?
>
> Probably sounds more like David Steinberg.
In that case you might try taking up the glass harmonica.
>
> [snip]
> > > > > What can you expect from a group that puts "COP" in its name?
> > > >
> > > > I can appreciate a good acronym. Personally. I'd rather have a dose of
> > > > CSICOP than another credulous interview by the likes of Connie Chung of
> > > > the likes of Yuri Geller.
> > >
> > > I probably enjoy the latter more, as the general area of credulity and
> > > beliefs is baffling. Take any crazy scenario -- being raped by
> > > extraterrestrials, getting phone calls from the dead, being cured of
> > > cankers by jesus -- and you'll find thousands of people who will swear
> > > it happened to them. No wonder I'm suspicious of "belief" in itself.
> > > Now here's a new poll that suggests a third of Americans believe that
> > > the US found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and 22% think Iraq
> > > used chemical or biological weapons in the war.
> > > http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/6085261.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp
> >
> > It's pretty amazing, but to be fair,these people are to a great extent
> > the victims of a large propaganda drive. How many times has the
> > discovery of Big Scary Weapons been announced?... and where are the retractions?
> >
> > It will be interesting to see if and how Blair & Bush (best o' pals)
> > survive their Big Lie.
>
> They can get away with murder, obviously. Have you checked the Iraq
> Body Count page lately? Anyway, the British Dossier and the American
> forgery aren't exactly news, having been exposed well before the bombs
> started dropping.
Sure, I knew about them. I spread the word as best I could but
unfortunately my broadcast range is usually under 3 meters.
> They were absent from the propaganda news, but now
> there's an advantage for the political opposition to be talking about
> these things. I suppose the worst that can happen to B&B is they might
> lose their next election.
I'd be content w/ that, for a start. Five more years of this is just a
gut wrenching thought.
>
> [snip]
> > > > I recall as a child finding some buried burlap scraps which I was sure
> > > > would turn out to be the garb of an Indian Princess. Believing that it
> > > > was sure made that day interesting... I really wanted to believe it, but
> > > > I was fooling myself.
> > >
> > > How can you say that? If we're looking for the so-called scientific
> > > method, you should at least have those scraps analysed. Perhaps they
> > > belonged to an Yma Sumac costume.
> >
> > No, they were burlap all right... I'm sure it was a case of holding two
> > opposite ideas in my head at once... merely an enjoyable bit of fantasy.
> > Anyway, those scraps are long gone, but I do have some 2000 year old
> > pottery shards which I found in a tilled field near Metaponto (Italy).
> >
> > There's the scientific method at work.
> >
> > BTW, did you know that Smooth Sumac berries can be used to make a pink
> > lemonade-like drink?
>
> It's always about the food with you, isn't it?
What's wrong with that? Maybe you need to eat a little more,
bubbeleh... Your ankles are protruding through your skin!
I really do like combing the woods for edibles. I mostly take mushrooms
but there are a lot of tasty items out there. I like rediscovering the
forest lore which modern urban types have forgotten. It's like an
unending free supermarket... just don't eat those "funny" berries.
>
> [snip]
> > > > Well, that's the general idea... the best way to get rich quick is not
> > > > to invest in get rich quick schemes.
> > >
> > > Have you tried selling that advice through a campaign of spam yet?
> >
> > Right... How to make a million dollars: sell a 1$ pamphlet to 1 million
> > people advising them to sell 1$ pamphlets to 1 million people advising
> > them to sell 1$ pamphlets....
>
> And of course now I'm being spammed with ads for how to "Stop Spam
> Now."
Parry seek of spam? 4239
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