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I Agree!
Females: Concurrently use 1) Condoms and 2) The Sponge/Diaphragm or
Hormonal/IUD, 3) Tell the male to Pull-Out and Cum on your Tits.
Males: Concurrently use 1) Condoms and 2) The Pull-Out Method.
Never use the Pull-Out Method or the Sponge by itself. In fact, you
shouldn't use Condoms by themselves either.
If you're in a persistent loving relationship where you can trust your
partner, any two different combined methods may be sufficient, while
three different combined methods may provide 100% safety.
Thank you Tom Mr. for that excellent explanation and analysis - below
bottom and to end.
Actual studies should now be done on the risk of using two methods
concurrently. There could, for instance be a correlated factor that
caused both methods to fail concurrently, but probably not, and the
below numbers shouldn't lie.
On 1/3/2016 2:21 PM, Tom Mr. wrote:
> On 10/21/2015 12:30 PM, Sheila S wrote:
>> On 10/20/2015 3:47 PM, Tom Mr. wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2015 1:02 PM, Safe Sex is Good wrote:
>>>> On 10/20/2015 2:50 AM, Pregnancy Prevention wrote:
>>>>> On 10/20/2015 2:46 AM, Pregnancy Prevention wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Girls use Implanon or NexplanonT and the condom.
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etonogestrel_contraceptive_implant
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boys use the condom and the pull-out method.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean together. Use them together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you always carry 3 condoms you'll always be ready for sex.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed! Everyone should use both. The risk with just Implanon is 1 in
>>> 2000, the risk with Implanon and Condoms is 1/2,000 x 1/6 (condom
>>> typical use) x 1/100 (100 sex acts per year double counted) = 1 in
>>> 1,200,000.
>>>
>>> They give DUIs to lower the risk of dying in a car accident to less than
>>> 1 in 2,000. Maybe you think a pregnancy is not death but it's kind of
>>> getting close.
>>>
>>> For boys: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4(pull-out) x 1/100(sex acts double counted)
>>> = 1 in 2,400. In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/25(pull-out
>>> perfect) x 1/100 (sex acts per year double counted)= 1/125,000.
>>>
>>> From 1 in 2,400 to 1 in 125,000 might be safe enough to use if there's
>>> not a better option. As the risk of dying in a car accident is about 1
>>> in 10,000*. However they are always trying to find ways to lower that
>>> risk and save the 30,000 which die. If in a repeated and pre-meditated
>>> relationship, one can advise their partner to use hormonal or the sponge
>>> or diaphragm in addition.
>>>
>>> Contraceptive rates from the CDC:
>>> www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/contraceptive_methods_508.pdf
>>>
>>> http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/contraceptive_methods_508.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *1 in 10,000 is of course less than 1 in 2,000.
>>
>>
>>
>> Likewise, the risk with no birth control is 80%.
>>
>> 1 in 1.25 per every 100 sex acts (per year).
>> 1 in 125 per act.
>>
>> 4 times, no protection = 4 in 125 = 1 in 30.
>> 12 times, no protection = 12 in 125 = 1 in 10 = 10%.
>>
>>
>> HAVE SEX 125 TIMES AND THE RISK IS 100% YOU WILL GET PREGNANT!
>>
>>
>> I knew a girl in high school who only had sex 4 times and got pregnant.
>> 1 in 30 girls would!
>>
>> It's like the movie "Fast Times as Ridgemont High," where she has sex
>> for less than 5 minutes and gets pregnant.
>>
>> Having sex with no protection is the same as intending to get pregnant.
>> If you get semen in your vagina and thus uterus with no protection,
>> your chances of pregnancy with ordinary sexuality are 100% in 1.25 years.
>>
>> It doesn't matter what age you are, the risk stays the same. Those who
>> are older are sometimes wiser and more financially able to support. And
>> those who already have children may have less of a life change. That's
>> the only difference.
>>
>> But telling teens not to have sex is effectively telling teens to
>> masturbate. Teens have mature and operating sex organs and physically
>> are as ready for sex physically as they will be at any time in their
>> lives. To say teens are not ready for sex for some mental reason is
>> ignorant and unintelligent belittlement and insult. Sexuality is right,
>> and the risk of an unplanned pregnancy as described above
>> notwithstanding. Teens are also responsible enough to be taught to use
>> the simple and effective methods of birth control as described above. If
>> they weren't, they wouldn't be responsible enough to not have sex which
>> they're not not doing. Like it's easier to just say "Use Abstinence?"
>> No, I disagree. It is easy enough to just say "Use these methods." They
>> know how to cook eggs for cripesakes. They're as interested in the
>> opposite sex as they'll ever be. They're as horny as they'll ever be.
>> They need as much agency to protect themselves from the risk of
>> pregnancy as they'll ever need. Teens should legally have sex in their
>> own bedrooms.
>>
>> For your sake, and for the sake of the unborn child, and for everyone's
>> sake; take the above advice and use and advocate more than one method of
>> birth control together at a time when you have sex.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/contraceptive_methods_508.pdf
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's a good chart. This table from the Association of Reproductive
>> Health Professionals is also helpful, as it shows a precise breakdown of
>> the risk of using contraceptives in both typical and perfect use.
>>
>> https://www.arhp.org/Publications-and-Resources/Quick-Reference-Guide-for-Clinicians/choosing/failure-rates-table
>>
>> As an example it shows spermicide in typical use, percent of women out
>> of 100% pregnant in one year, 28% in typical use, and 18% in perfect
>> use. Divide 100% by 28%, and 18%, and see the risk is 1 in 3.57 women
>> in typical use, and 1 in 5.55 women in perfect use will get pregnant in
>> a year with just spermicide.
>>
>> For the withdrawal method it shows 22% in typical use and 4% in perfect
>> use. Divide 100% by 22% and 4%, and see the risk is 1 in 4.54 women in
>> typical use, and 1 in 25 women in perfect use will get pregnant in a
>> year with just withdrawal.
>>
>> An individual's risk must fall somewhere in between those two, depending
>> on how likely they are to be among those who fail to use the birth
>> control perfectly, and end up increasing the statistic for typical use.
>>
>> I find it interesting that people sometimes advocate the use of
>> spermicide with condoms (or the diaphragm), but more rarely advocate
>> withdrawal as a 2nd method concurrently. They should. The withdrawal
>> method is more effective than spermicide according to the chart; and
>> like spermicide, when combined with another type of birth control, the
>> chance of both failing at the same time make its use even more
>> important. Though the responsibility and control over this method
>> remain in the hands of the man - who should take as much responsibility
>> for birth control as the woman, it's an important method for males.
>> Though the woman should take her own responsibility and not expect or
>> rely on the male if not engaging in repeated activities with a known and
>> trusted partner.
>
>
>
>
> Hi, actually, girls should just use the sponge and the condom, and boys
> should just use the pull-out and the condom. Boys and girls should never
> use the sponge or the pull-out without any other methods, but when
> either is used in conjunction with another method, the increase in
> safety is so significant that it must be mentioned repeatedly. It's kind
> of silly for a girl who is not already in a repeated sexual relationship
> to be on hormonal birth control for the sake of pregnancy. I mean, a
> girl could go three years on Implanon without ever having sex, whether
> she's 14 or 34. The sponge and condom concurrently provide about as much
> safety for a female as the pull-out method and the condom concurrently
> do a male. The female can only count on those two methods of the sponge
> and the condom (until with a male she knows well sexually) while it's
> possible the male could count on all three, as he could put a sponge in
> a female (wash hands first to avoid introducing harmful bacteria into
> the vaginal canal!), and thus could count on all of the three
> non-prescription, non-invasive, methods himself. Nevertheless, the
> female could tell the male to pull-out, and that she wants him to cum on
> her Tits. But she can't and shouldn't count on it (unless possibly in an
> ongoing and trustworthy relationship). The sponge along with the condom,
> will work well for the female for spontaneous sex, while a $50 diaphragm
> (prescription) is an easy and less expensive alternative to the sponge
> for sex that is more anticipated; i.e. a boyfriend coming over for the
> night. A sponge is probably easier to carry than a diaphragm that
> requires a tube of spermicide and more preparation to put in. As soon as
> a first instance of sex becomes a repeated sexual relationship, a female
> can switch to a diaphragm when sex is more expected, and save money and
> be a little safer, or persist with the sponge when it remains
> spontaneous. Or, the female can at that point consider one of the 5
> types of hormonal birth control:
> 1. The Implant
> 2. Injections
> 3. The Vaginal Ring
> 4. The Patch
> 5. The Birth Control Pill - there are actually 3 different types of
> birth control pills, thus equating to 7 different types of hormonal
> methods total.
> And, there is also the IUD.
>
> Hormonal methods and the IUD sometimes have side effects however!
>
> Implanon has been reported to cause mental changes.
>
> The diaphragm, the sponge, the condom, and pull-out method have no such
> side effects. On the other hand, some women want hormonal birth control
> to stop or regulate their period.
>
> So consider and read about, the psychological and physiological risks of
> hormonal birth control and the IUD, and watch out for any changes if you
> start using them.
>
> The risks of pregnancy using the sponge and the condom together, as
> mentioned above, thus are calculated as follows (explained below) from:
> https://www.arhp.org/Publications-and-Resources/Quick-Reference-Guide-for-Clinicians/choosing/failure-rates-table
>
> (parous means "birth," nulli means "not;" not birth = not mothers)
>
> Condoms and Pull-Out
> Typical use: 1 in 2,730, perfect use 1 in 125,000
>
> Condom and Diaphragm:
> Typical use: 1 in 4,998, perfect use 1 in 83,350
>
> Condoms and Sponge in women who have not had babies-"Nulliparous women:"
> Typical use: 1 in 4,998, perfect use 1 in 55,550
>
> Condoms and Sponge in mothers who have had babies -"Parous women:"
> Typical use: 1 in 2,502, perfect use 1 in 25,000
>
> These are the yearly risks of 100 sex acts inclusive, presuming the
> statistical snake-eyes theory of calculation described below makes
> sense, and that the risks given on the webpage are based upon 100 sex
> acts per year (they may only be based upon 80, in which case, divide the
> above risks by 100 and multiply by 80, for 80 sex acts inclusive. - For
> each additional year of active sex, the risk goes up! 2 years, twice the
> risk, 10 years, 10x the risk!).
>
> These statistics are calculated as follows:
> For the sponge alone, by itself we see from the chart on the webpage:
> Mothers who have given birth "Parous women," 24% in typical use, and 20%
> in perfect use, in a given year of consistent sex will get pregnant,
> that's about 1 in 4 to 1 in 5.
>
> and women who have not given birth "Nulliparous women,"
> we see 12% in typical use, and 9% in perfect use in a given year of
> consistent sex will get pregnant, that's about 1 in 8 to 1 in 10.
>
> So, as I just described, if you divide 24%, 20%, 12% and 9% each into
> 100%, you get the exact calculations of the numbers I suggest, and see
> that for Mothers "Parous women" 1 in 4.17 mothers in typical use and 1
> in 5 mothers in perfect use will get pregnant using only the sponge
> alone from a year of consistent sex, and for non-mothers "Nulliparous
> women," 1 in 8.33 in typical use, and 1 in 11.11 in perfect use will get
> pregnant with the sponge alone from a year of consistent sex.
>
> For the diaphragm alone, we see from the chart on the webpage, 12% in
> typical use, and 6% in perfect use in a given year of consistent sex
> will get pregnant. Thus if you divide 12% and 6% into 100%, you get
> 1 in 8.33 in typical use, and 1 in 16.67 in perfect use, will get
> pregnant with the diaphragm alone, from a year of consistent sex.
>
> For the condom alone, - we see from the chart on the webpage, 18% in
> typical use, and 2% in perfect use, in a given year of consistent sex
> will get pregnant. Thus if you divide 18% and 2% into 100%, you get
> 1 in 6 in typical use, and 1 in 50 in perfect use, will get pregnant
> with the condom alone, from a year of consistent sex. (Other sources
> suggest in typical use condoms may be slightly safer than 18% - like
> maybe 16.66%).
>
> And for withdrawal, as noted in messages above, we see from the chart on
> the webpage, 22% in typical use, and 4% in perfect use, in a given year
> of consistent sex will get pregnant. Thus if you divide 22% and 4% into
> 100%, you get 1 in 4.55 in typical use, and 1 in 25 in perfect use will
> get pregnant with the withdrawal method alone, from a year of consistent
> sex.
>
> The yearly risks of birth control are given based upon 80-100 sex acts.
> But when 2 types of birth control are used, the per act risk times the
> per act risk must be considered first. Only then may the number of
> yearly acts actually committed determine the actual risk - 80-100 acts
> per year here - to come up with the normal yearly risk. Thus merely
> multiplying the _yearly risk_ times the _yearly risk_ makes the yearly
> risk of pregnancy apparently appear greater than it really is, as the
> per act risk must be multiplied by the per act risk _first_, and then
> multiplied times the number of actual acts. To describe further:
> If one rolled one die, the chance it came up with the "1" dot side up is
> 1/6. If one rolls two dice together, the chance both come up with the
> "1" dot sides up together - called "snake eyes" - is 1 in 36 or 1/36
> which is exactly equal to 1/6 x 1/6. You may check this fact by
> realizing that for each of the 6 sides on the first die that may come
> up, there are 6 possibilities of the second die that may come up with it.
> Further, if one rolls one die by itself again, 3 times this time, the
> chance the "1" dot side comes up with that one die, is 3 chances in 6,
> or 3/6. Yet, if one rolls both dice 3 times together, the chance of
> "snake eyes," is not 3/6 x 3/6 = 9/36, but rather 3 in 36, or 3/36.
> 3/36, not 9/36. So for these birth control statistics, I presume we have
> to multiply the per act risk, times the per act risk, _first_, and then
> multiply by the number of sex acts, to get the true risk. As the yearly
> risks given by the chart above were already based upon (80 or) 100 sex
> acts, when we multiply the yearly risk times the yearly risk, we have
> factored 100 acts twice, and need to divide by 100 to get the right risk.
>
> So to get the 4 above statistics
>
> For the condom and the pull-out method (yearly risk) again, we see:
> In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.55(pull-out) x 1/100(sex acts double
> factored) = 1 in 2,730.
> In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/25(pull-out perfect) x
> 1/100(sex acts double factored) = 1 in 125,000.
>
> For the condom and diaphragm (yearly risk) in all females, we see:
> In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/8.33(diaphragm) x 1/100(sex acts double
> counted) = 1 in 4,998.
> In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/16.67(diaphragm perfect) x
> 1/100 (sex acts per year double counted) = 1 in 83,350.
>
> For the condom and sponge in Nulliparous girls non-mothers, we see: In
> In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/8.33(sponge) x 1/100(sex acts double
> factored) = 1 in 4,998.
> In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/11.11(sponge perfect) x 1/100
> (sex acts per year double factored)= 1 in 55,550.
>
> For the condom and sponge in Parous women - mothers, we see:
> In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.17(sponge) x 1/100(sex acts double
> counted) = 1 in 2,502.
> In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/5 (sponge perfect) x 1/100 (sex
> acts per year double counted)= 1 in 25,000.
>
>
> So it's obvious that while the sponge alone, like the pull-out method,
> is not an effective method of birth control by itself - and neither much
> is the condom, - when any two are combined with one another, the risk
> becomes fairly acceptable.
>
> (Note that by itself, in mothers, "Parous women," the sponge is more
> risky than the pull-out by itself, in typical and perfect use, both.)
>
> So if you're female, use the sponge and a condom for spontaneous sex, as
> these can be carried and inserted easily, and get a prescription
> diaphragm which requires the use of spermicide, for immediate use in a
> repeated relationship (basically just because it's cheaper. Also in
> perfect use a little safer in non-mothers, and three times safer in
> mothers, and in typical use, equal risk in non-mothers and twice the
> safety in mothers) in which one can anticipate sex ahead of time - like
> a date with someone one has already had sex with. At $50 this is cheaper
> for someone not consistently sexually active, than is any hormonal birth
> control method. After in a repeated relationship, one can consider an
> IUD or a hormonal method (such as Implanon ($800 = over 3
> years=$266/year), (or the pill $15-$50/month=$180-$600/year)), or stick
> with the diaphragm and sponge plan.
>
> The sponge is a bit pricey at $3-$5 each, but for 24 or so anticipated
> sex acts per year, that's only $72-$120, then one may switch to the
> diaphragm for repeated relationships - or pay $300-$500 per year to
> continue using the sponge for 100 sex acts. The Sponge is probably a
> better plan for spontaneous sex because you don't have to carry a tube
> of spermicide, and it may be easier to insert (remember to wash your
> hands first).
>
> You can order the sponge online at Walmart here:
>
> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Today-Sponge-Vaginal-Contraceptive-Sponge-3-count/29314216
>
>
> I encourage all men to order their daughters 10 boxes ($110-$150), and
> encourage them to carry one in their purse, changing it out at least
> once per month, along with 3 condoms. The sponge can be used all night,
> condoms may need to be changed.
>
> Boys should also carry 3 condoms, plan to pull-out before they
> ejaculate, and try out various condom varieties in the Fleshlight before
> they have sex with them. So get your sons the Fleshlight.
> And get your daughters the Jack-Rabbit vibrator, and/or a smaller
> vibrator or dildo especially if they're on the younger side, while
> you're at it. Girls can break their hymen with a dildo themselves, and
> then it won't hurt their first time, and they won't bleed and expose
> themselves to increased risk of disease for their first time.
>
> Get both sons and daughters a supply of at least 90-100 condoms
> ($40-$120 (or even less)), so they can carry 3 at a time for 36 months.
> I'm serious.
>
> You might order them here, or get a variety pack online somewhere for
> the boys to test out in the Fleshlight, and get a variety you know is
> most comfortable for males for the girls.
>
> http://www.walmart.com/ip/LifeStyles-Ultra-Sensitive-Condoms-40ct/17324884
> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Lifestyles-Ultra-Sensitive-Premium-Lubricated-Latex-Condoms-14ct/16940435
>
> http://www.walmart.com/ip/Trojan-Ultra-Ribbed-Premium-Lubricant-Condoms-Value-Pack-36-count/21000193
>
>
> Queen size beds are a good idea, as minors should have sex in the safety
> of their own homes. Sexuality is a human right, and "wards," have rights
> as well - if as yet undefined -. It's kind of stupid to be counseled to
> talk to your kids about sex, and then be expected to have them to have
> sex in the back of a car.
>
> In regards to the above risks, realize an individual's risk must fall
> somewhere in between typical and perfect use, depending on how likely
> they are to be among those who fail to use the birth control method
> perfectly, and end up increasing the statistic for typical use (wouldn't
> these typical use figures vary by year(?)).
>
> Anyone from a teen to a 50-something could be on Implanon for 3 years
> and not have sex. If not already sexually active, a plan to carry the
> sponge - which can be used all night - and 3 condoms, is probably
> superior. When the relationship becomes repeated, the diaphragm is
> cheaper and a little safer to use than the sponge, for times when sex
> can be better anticipated (like a date with someone you've already had
> sex with).
>
> If you use all 3 noninvasive methods - condoms / sponge(or diaphragm) /
> & pull-out; you're even safer. The snake eyes calculation would suggest
> the risk to be: (I'll just calculate for the riskiest "Parous" Mothers
> and sponge, and condoms and pull-out):
>
> In typical use: 1/6(condoms) x 1/4.55(pull-out) x 1/100(sex acts double
> counted)
> = 1 in 2,730 as calculated above for condoms and pull-out,
> x 1/4.17(Sponge Typical "Parous" Mothers) x 1/100(sex acts double
> counted/factored again)
> = 1/1,138,410
>
> In perfect use: 1/50(condom perfect) x 1/25(pull-out perfect) x
> 1/100(sex acts double factored)
> = 1 in 125,000 as calculated above for condoms and pull-out,
> x 1/5 (Sponge Perfect "Parous" Mothers) x 1/100(sex acts per year double
> factored/counted again)
> = 1/62,500,000
>
> A similar calculation for Typical use for the Sponge in Non-Mothers
> "Nulliparous," with typical use of condoms and pull-out, results in
> = 1/2,274,090,
>
> A similar calculation for Perfect use of Sponge in Non-Mothers
> "Nulliparous," with perfect use of condoms and pull-out, results in
> = 1/138,875,000.
>
> A similar calculation for Typical use for the Diaphragm, with Typical
> use of condoms and pull-out, also results in
> = 1/2,274,090,
> (same as typical use of sponge in non-mothers "nulliparous," as both
> 12%, 1 in 8.33 in typical use by themselves)
>
> A similar calculation for Perfect use of Diaphragm with Perfect use of
> condoms and pull-out, results in
> = 1/208,375,000.
>
>
> Keeping semen out of orifices is also a big way to reduce the risk of
> pregnancy and STI's. However at least two birth control methods must be
> used to reduce the risk of pregnancy effectively, and the condom must be
> used to reduce the risk of STI's effectively. Not all condoms are alike,
> some are thick, some are thin. Some make sex feel even better. I suggest
> males try out many of them - in the Fleshlight if they are less sexually
> active males, and see which feels best.
>
> Both the sponge and the diaphragm must be left in place for at least six
> hours after the last act of intercourse. The sponge can be worn for up
> to 30 hours, thus it may be inserted only up to 20 hours or so before
> the first act of intercourse (depending on how long the act of
> intercourse may last for), and then left in place for six hours more.
> The diaphragm may be worn for up to 24 hours. After 2-6 hours after
> initially inserting the diaphragm (some sources say 6, some sources say
> 2, do you own research or ask your provider) you must insert more
> spermicide deep into the vagina if you intend to have sex again. Not so
> the sponge. Also, there are different types of diaphragms, with
> different types of springs in the rim, depending on one's vaginal tone.
>
> Girls, use these birth control methods until you can figure out how to
> speak to your ovaries and tell them to naturally not release an egg and
> waste energy. And then tell them to release an egg on command. This
> should conceivably be possible somehow. And thereby you would be able to
> ovulate all your life without menopause - which typically happens
> between ages 40 and 60. I don't know. Just speculating.
>
> I also wonder if the diaphragm or sponge might provide limited
> additional protection against HIV. For from female to male, the HIV is
> mostly on the mucous of the cervix of the female, which is blocked by
> the sponge or diaphragm, and from male to female, the sponge or
> diaphragm keeps the sperm from getting further into the female and her
> uterus, which I just imagine might limitedly decrease the risk of
> infection. However I have only read it said that condoms provide
> protection against HIV.
>
> To provide protection against HIV, use condoms which make sex 10x safer
> according to some studies, and keep semen out of orifices, especially if
> you have cuts in mouth, and use condoms and pull-out for anal sex also,
> or don't have anal sex at all. The gay men and the intravenous drug
> users are much more liable to have it so are much more liable to spread
> it. The more one has sex the higher the increase in risk (unlike some
> diseases which transmit immediately). One could get a test before
> continuing with a repeated partner forever.
>
> And remember the religious commandment to "Love One Another."
> Choose friends who are with your lives and protect your lives, not those
> who are not with your lives or endanger your lives.
>
> For the purpose of sexual relationships is friendship, love and honor
> and happiness.
>
> And the purpose of the law is humanity, and the law is nothing without
> humanity:
>
> Matt 22:35
> Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and
> saying, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
> Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your
> heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first
> and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your
> neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and
> the Prophets.”
>
> I translate this to mean, love yourself, and love others. i.e. the law
> is nothing without humanity. The purpose of the law is humanity, and not
> idol worship or idolatry. God is the Creator of the Self, who is born
> again anew in each new moment, and no concept of God has any meaning
> without a concept of your Self as well. To know and love the Living
> Creator of the Self, you must first know and love your Self. You will
> not know yourself while condemning others for rightful things!
>
> Rather you should love others as yourself, and choose others who
> endeavor to do in kind. People sometimes make mistakes, but choose
> others who are good at heart.
>
> Thus, the purpose of the law is humanity, and the law is nothing without
> humanity.
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
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>
> This link contains links, especially two links at the bottom, with other
> research into STD's and pregnancy prevention:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/5$20reasons$20to$20use$20condoms/alt.religion.christian.intervarsity/v2EDdb5_q7Q/MJRwdffHCHoJ
>
The following is merely experimental thinking and a rough draft, I don't
currently have time to address it, so, think for yourselves about all
points positive and negative if you care to. It may provide a starting
point for better thinking of your own:
If you're a real stickler for not wanting to use Condoms or
Hormonal/IUD, the Sponge combined with the Rhythm Method (sex on only
certain days) or the Pull-Out method, is an option only if you're in a
repeated sexual relationship where you can trust your other partner, AND
you can stand to have a baby but would merely prefer not to. The Rhythm
Method and the Pull-Out method combined is an even riskier option.
However using all three methods together is indicated to be nearly 100%
safe with zero risk, and recommended as an option. So another option if
accepting of these risks could be to use the Sponge and the Rhythm
Method, while using the Sponge and the Pull-Out Method on days where the
Rhythm Method indicated you weren't supposed to have sex. So basically
the idea there is you don't have to Pull-Out on days the Rhythm Method
says sex is okay. The Pull-Out and the Rhythm is getting even riskier
on the downside at 1 in 1,897.
Typical Use: Sponge and Pull-Out = 8.33 x 4.55 x 100 = 3,790
Perfect Use: Sponge and Pull-Out = 11.11 x 25 x 100 = 27,775
Typical Sponge and Rhythm = 8.33 x 4.17 x 100 = 3,473
Perfect Sponge and Rhythm*= 11.11 x 20 x 100 = 22,220
Typical Use: Pull-Out and Rhythm = 4.55 x 4.17 x 100 = 1,897
Perfect Use: Pull-Out and Rhythm*= 25 x 20 x 100 = 50,000
All 3 together:
Typical Sponge and Pull-Out and Rhythm = 4.17 x 8.33 x 100 x 4.55 x 100
= 1,580,475
Perfect Sponge and Pull-Out and Rhythm*= 20 x 11.11 x 100 x 25 x 100 = =
55,550,000
(*Worst type of Rhythm Method use for Perfect Use calculations.
Best type of Rhythm Method would be over 10x safer for Perfect Use.
There is no distinction indicated for Typical Use between Rhythm Methods.)
Typical Use: Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 8.33 x 4.55 x 100 = 3,790
Perfect Use: Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 16.67 x 25 x 100 = 41,675
Typical Diaphragm and Rhythm = 8.33 x 4.17 x 100 = 3,473
Perfect Diaphragm and Rhythm*= 16.67 x 20 x 100 = 33,340
Above Sponge calculations are only for Nulliparous childless women.
For Parous Mothers:
Typical Use: Parous Sponge and Pull-Out = 4.17 x 4.55 x 100 = 1,897
Perfect Use: Parous Sponge and Pull-Out = 5 x 25 x 100 = 12,500
Typical Parous Sponge and Rhythm = 4.17 x 4.17 x 100 = 1,739
Perfect Parous Sponge and Rhythm*= 5 x 20 x 100 = 10,000
Remember the risk of dying in a car accident is guesstimated to be about
1 in 10,000. That risk may actually be even less, meaning 1 in 10,000+,
as some may die in car accidents because they are drunk drivers who do
themselves in. Using only one method may be like driving 95 in a 25
Zone. Maybe if there was no other way to get around you would, but
there is another way to get around - and that is by following traffic
laws and using 2 or 3 types of birth control.
All 3 together Parous Sponge (Mothers) :
Typical Rhythm and Sponge and Pull-Out = 4.17 x 4.17 x 100 x 4.55 x 100
= 791,195
Perfect Rhythm* and Sponge and Pull-Out = 20 x 5 x 100 x 25 x 100 = =
25,000,000
All 3 together Diaphragm:
Typical Rhythm and Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 4.17 x 8.33 x 100 x 4.55 x
100 = 1,580,475
Perfect Rhythm* and Diaphragm and Pull-Out = 20 x 16.67 x 100 x 25 x 100
= = 83,350,000
Also you might want to remember you could divide by 100 and multiply by
80 (in the case of the 3 method way 2 times) and see that it could be
even riskier than indicated. But you'd have to use 80 on all the other
risk calculations relatively to compare.
Also, it should be said that, the lack of a risk of pregnancy is not an
argument for someone to have sex with someone else. Mutual desire is a
key here. If someone does not want to have sex, the reasons may include:
1) Legitimate fears of pregnancy: addressed here.
2) Legitimate fears of disease: addressed in links to link above.
3) Not Sexually Attracted: trim body hair with hair clippers, go to to
gym and exercise. Also shower, use mouthwash, wear cologne, dress
better, etc. (shave balls/pussy lips but don't shave against grain
elsewhere between waist and knees, including above genitals, without
testing out a patch for a week, or else be prepared to suffer 2 months
of ingrown hairs for which you may try the product "Tend Skin.")
Scrubbing with a Sisal Loofah will make your skin softer.
4) Religion - what?
5) Waiting until marriage - huh??
6) Virginity - eat pussy/suck dick until they're interested in sex,
and/or find others.
7) Not in ~LOVE~ ...well... Love is the greatest seduction secret. Maybe
you should pursue spirituality. Maybe they need to get to know you
better. Ask them, what they want in a member of the opposite sex.
Actual studies should now be done on the risk of using 2 methods
concurrently, there could, for instance be a correlated factor that
caused both methods to fail concurrently, but probably not, and the
above numbers shouldn't lie.
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