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Chris Croughton wrote:

> Of 'man' (as in mankind) or of 'a man'?  English would use
> 'philanthropist' for the former.


Anthropos = human being
andros = man, with external genitalia
Men who like men and manly things...


> > Now, note the word "pederast" or the extraordinarily illiterate
> > spelling, "paederast."
> >
> > "Paidi" child
> > "Erastis" lover
>
> Presumably related to 'eros'?

Nai.

> (British spelling is 'paedophilia' -- from the derivation, both should
> presumably be 'paido'.  I still think that 'pedophilia' should mean
> foot-fetishists...)

Now that's an interesting one. However, foot is "podo," as in
podiatrist. Podophilia with be liking feet, or having an interest in
feet. Podoerasts would

> > Nothing wrong with philandering. The phenomenon of pedophilia then as
> > now was socially encouraged, but there was quite a bit wrong with
> > screwing little kids.
>
> Er, socially /encouraged/?  I don't think it's encouraged in either the
> US or UK, at least...

Oxi! Clearly I have managed to soar on unerring wings right past the
point. Pedophilia in its literal form in Greek would mean actually
liking little kids. You know, doing nice things for them? Stuff like
buying toys, bringing food home, feeling happy when you saw a group of
them playing...that sort of thing.

> Interesting.  What about women loving women?

I have not met a single declared Lesbian or bisexual woman in Greece,
in five years of very public life as an English teacher. Such
activities are conducted very discreetly.

> > There is, however, far less reported violence against gay men here than
> > there is elsewhere, and I believe that there's less real violence as
> > well. Transvestites line Syngrou Avenue in Athens in the wee hours and
> > I have never gotten a whiff of anyone murdering one in my five years
> > here. I live two blocks away from Syngrou.
>
> People talk about it instead of actually doing the violence?  That would
> be a good attitude for the descendents of Plato...

It would be nice if modern society in any form did not feel any need to
hurt or kill people because of sexual identity. Because I have never
met or even heard of a declared gay person in any position of real
social or corporate power here, either. At least that isn't true in the
USA or the UK.

Don't spread that "descendents of Plato" shit around! There's too much
of that Greek supremacist skata here already in the form of: "While my
ancestors were building the Parthenon, yours were painting their asses
blue and running around in the woods!" That's where that's led to here.
The whole purity of Greek blood question is almost as touchy.

Makria, makria! Anathema!


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