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From: "Giuseppe Dini" <dinizz@libero.it>
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Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 18:51:40 GMT
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Hi,
I'm glad that now you maybe believe me.
Here is the story of "trullihouses".
A few years ago, say 5 years, I copied the text from a brochure, collected
pictures from the net, scanned some photos from the same brochure and made
up a website, very quickly and easily.
It was almost a game, even if it was public I did not think it would be so
successful.
As I said in the past messages, I'm even curious about who wrote the text
and his level in English.
Now you say to me that i should sue the other website.
How can I sue other people for a work that I myself copied! :)
But I hope the author would forgive me, because my website it's not a
commercial one.
As to "dolcevita", I really don't know whether they copied the text from the
same brochure or from my website, but in any case I won't complain with them
(just imagine if they wrote the brochure :) ).
The story of the site about Martina Franca, which is the town I live in, is
a little bit more complex.
In the same period of "trullihouses", with a group of friend I very
carefully made a website (in italian) about our town.
It has jokes, recipes, history, games and also a section for nearby cities.
Now it is lost. :((
I saved a story, almost a charming fairtale, I wrote in Italian about the
history of the place.
Lately I decided to translate it in English, and published it on the
Internet, making a twin-website of "trullihouses".
I also thought that images are important because a website without images is
too eavy, so I searched for images to accompany the text.
The one with women dancing is a photomontage: the dancing "ancient" women
are from a picture and the arcs of my town behind them from another one.
You say that the taste in the pictures is the same. Maybe because the
"collector" was the same.
As to the same style of English, I don't know. Perhaps to a native speaker
of English texts written by Italians always show the same style. :)
Unfortunately the website I made with all my heart was not a successful one
as it is virtually unknown to search engines.
It is really a pity because I think that it would be appreciated.
One of the very few people who visited it sent me an email with just these
words: "any more history please".
Just like children who want to hear more fairtales...
goodbye, and thank you for your help, when you give your permission I will
change the text in the site.
Giuseppe Di Santo
"credoquaabsurdum" <credoquaabsurdum@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> Giuseppe, I looked at your links. They have little in common with your
> site. The site that I found, on the other hand, has EXACTLY the same
> photographs and the same first few lines, cleaned up a little bit,
> perhaps, but almost an exact copy. You really should sue dolcevita.com,
> if what you say is true.
>
> I also looked at Martina Franca and the link to your site. Same style
> of English in general, same taste in pictures and a much longer text.
> There seems a Guiseppe Di Santo in Puglia: occupation, civil servant.
> Most conclusively, however, I could not find a definite link between
> your libero.it address and dolcevita.com, or a Giuseppe at
> dolcevita.com. Were you sloppy enough to pull the scam I initially
> envisioned, leaving the original up at dolcevita and just posting a
> rewritten copy for free at geocities, then you would probably not have
> the foresight or the pull at your job necessary to sufficiently erase
> such links, and I would most likely find them.
>
> Then I realized that I was playing a true devil's advocate and got sick
> and tired of it. In the final analysis, whatever is, is. You did
> respond on line, and you did respond civilly to a heated attack, which
> a small-minded individual would most likely not have. There are simply
> too many factors in favor of what you have said for me to ignore. It
> would be churlish at this point to conclusively assume the worst, while
> ignoring the possibility of the best.
>
>
>
> Here is your original:
>
> These gleaming habitations (whitewashed each year) are curious, rounded
> structures with cone-shaped, grey stone roofs. They are trulli, typical
> of the province of Bari and Taranto, and are unique in all the world. A
> number of trulli are concentrated in the village of Alberobello, nearly
> forming a city. On a hilltop amid the scent of almonds and olives, the
> city's historical center was declared an International Human Resource
> by the Unesco organization. It is made up by a hundred trulli some 5
> centuries old. The origins of these oddly shaped stone tepees is
> unknown. Some theories date the Trulli back 5000 years. My favorite
> takes place during the Middle Ages. At the time, anyone erecting a
> dwelling on the King's land was taxed. The Pugliesi cleverly devised
> the dry stone Trullo solely for tax evasion. As the story goes, upon
> word (a smoke signal, perhaps?) of the revenuer's arrival, the Trulli
> were rapidly dismantled and moved or rebuilt afterwards. Nowadays,
> Trulli are firmly planted and buttressed with stucco. A cone still
> represents one room and the interiors, though charming, are spartan.
> With the exception of bathroom doors, rooms are separated by colorful
> curtains in sharp contrast to the stark whiteness within. Furnishings,
> mostly handmade in olive wood and quite beautiful by any standard,
> represent the art of peasants. The hearth remains the source of heat.
> Luckily, Puglia is fairly warm and the cool stone Trulli provide relief
> from the hot summer sun. In spite of the simplicity, the prices here
> are a bargain. Puglia, itself, is a bargain compared to most of Italy.
> Alberobello, the Trulli capital, is a fairy-tale city. Fanciful hex
> signs adorning each home add magic to the already bewitching scenery. A
> wealth of history, art, food and vistas, rivaling anything in Italy,
> await you. The people, unmercifully sweet, are generous to the bone.
> Maid service, bicycle rental, cooking classes and firewood can be
> easily arranged. Alberobello, located deep in the past, does have a
> train station and is within an hours' drive of Taranto, Bari or the
> sea.
>
>
>
> And here is my rewrite.
>
>
>
> I TRULLI DI ALBEROBELLO
> The White Cones of Puglia
>
>
> These gleaming houses (whitewashed each year) are curious, rounded
> structures with gray, stone, cone-shaped roofs. They are trulli, common
> in the province of Bari and Taranto, yet unknown in the rest of the
> world. A great number of trulli may be found in the town of
> Alberobello, which is nearly a city. The town's historical center is on
> a hilltop, amid the scent of almond and olive trees, and has been
> declared an International Human Resource by UNESCO. It is made up of a
> hundred trulli some 5 centuries old. The origin of their oddly-shaped,
> stone teepee design is unknown. Although some theories date the Trulli
> back 5000 years, the favorite story of their creation claims that such
> buildings were first constructed during the Middle Ages. At the time,
> anyone who built a dwelling on the King's land was heavily taxed. With
> this in mind, the Pugliesi cleverly devised the drywall stone Trulli
> solely for purposes of tax evasion.
>
> As the story goes, upon word of the taxman's arrival (perhaps by means
> of a smoke signal), the Trulli were rapidly dismantled and moved out of
> sight. After the visit was over and that gentleman successfully ducked,
> the homes were re-erected. Nowadays, Trulli are firmly planted and
> buttressed with stucco. A cone still comprises a single common area and
> the interiors, though charming, are spartan. With the exception of
> bathroom doors, the rooms are separated by colorful curtains in sharp
> contrast to the stark whiteness of the interior walls. Mostly handmade
> furnishing of olive wood, quite beautiful by any standard, are
> representative of the work of the traditional peasant artisans of the
> area. The hearth remains the source of heat to this day. Luckily,
> Puglia is fairly warm and the cool stone Trulli provide relief from the
> hot summer sun.
>
> In spite of its rustic simplicity, the prices here are a bargain
> (Puglia as a whole is a bargain compared to most of Italy).
> Alberobello, the Trulli capital, is a fairy-tale city. Fanciful hex
> signs adorning each home add magic to the already bewitching setting. A
> wealth of history, art, food and vistas, rivaling anything in Italy,
> awaits you. The people, unvaryingly pleasant, are generous to a fault.
> Maid service, bicycle rental, cooking classes and firewood can be
> easily arranged. Alberobello, while steeped in the past, does have a
> train station, and it is only a single hour's drive from Taranto,
> Bari or the seaside.
>
>
> My good deed completely done, my guilt erased for possibly having
> screamed at an innocent man, I am now going to sleep, secure in my
> righteousness.
>
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