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From: HMS Victor Victorian <victorvictorian@hushunomail.com>
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Subject: Re: Lord of the Flies Novel
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Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 14:03:47 -0600
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:36:11 +0200, Dianthus <fan@libera.net> wrote:
>HMS Victor Victorian <victorvictorian@hushunomail.com> wrote in
>news:9dqh38d27pod7hu772e0hmra8escn1vjhh@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 23:11:56 +0200, Dianthus <fan@libera.net> wrote:
>>
>>>HMS Victor Victorian <victorvictorian@hushunomail.com> wrote in
>>>news:6vff38hmfh4rv9lkbdpbsracq7bjt74ief@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> I confess with some embarrassment that for the first time I have
>>>> read William Golding's novel, "Lord of the Flies." I made the
>>>> mistake, as it were, of reading it before retiring each night ...
>>>> only a chapter at a time ... and discovered that with each
>>>> successive night, my sleep became more and more disturbed. What a
>>>> horrible and sad tale, so at odds with my affectionate beliefs, or
>>>> delusions apparently, of the basic goodness of boys! Powerful.
>>>> Powerful.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen the film several times, and was pleased to see how closely
>>>> it followed Golding's work, although the movie excluded the
>>>> disturbing conversation had between Simon alone in the thicket and
>>>> the pig's fly-encrusted head on a pole. Nevertheless, reading the
>>>> novel, and diving into his prose, affected me far more profoundly
>>>> than the movie ever had. I readily suggest that, my friends, if you
>>>> have not yet read it, do so. It represents the quality of art that
>>>> earned Golding the Nobel Prize later in life.
>>>>
>>>> Many lauded experts have attempted to explain the deep significance
>>>> of "Lord of the Flies." Was it a condemnation of human nature, a
>>>> treatis on the ultimate disintegration and decay of all charity that
>>>> we cherish and value, an apocalyptic vision of a sick society that
>>>> must result when we abandon love and sympathy for one another?
>>>>
>>>> Well, who am I, relatively untutored and unread in the classics, to
>>>> comment intelligently on Golding's purposes? E. L. Epstein's
>>>> analysis, presented in the volume that I read, at least depended on
>>>> Golding's own brief and somewhat superficial motivation, and I think
>>>> him spot on.
>>>>
>>>> With one exception ... and it is one that upset me. In the passages
>>>> where Roger and Jack mercilessly attack and slaughter the sow
>>>> suckling her piglets. There is considerable horror and revulsion,
>>>> simply done in a masterful way, as Golding describes the boys
>>>> plunging deep into her with their spears. Now, in his
>>>> interpretation, Epstein noted that this represented the
>>>> uncomfortable sexual awaking of young adolescent boys ...
>>>>
>>>> And that analysis, which had never and would never occur to me, was
>>>> ever more so revolting than the murder itself!
>>>>
>>>> Do you think Golding intended such a thing, or had Epstein gone
>>>> bonkers like so many other social scientists, over such a Freudian
>>>> idea?
>>>>
>>>> I hope soon to post here several nice clips I've collected from this
>>>> wonderful movie, including a few outtakes.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>> HMS Victor Victorian, NP-g18
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> God Save the Queen.
>>>> God Bless the Prince of Wales.
>>>> God Preserve the Windsors.
>>>> Rule Britannia!
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hello Victor Victorian,
>>>It is indeed an intreguing book, I read it many years ago after I saw
>>>the film. It is not clear if you saw the first or the second filming
>>>of the story. The first is from the early sixties and in black/white.
>>>I happened to see it in London, where it run many months.
>>>Now if you want to regain a little bit of faith in youth again then I
>>>recommend you read the stories of Clan Short on the net. Especially
>>>the first ones: Memories 1 and 2.
>>>Dianthus
>>
>>
>> Dear Dianthus,
>>
>> Pardon me if you must, but I found the later version film a very poor
>> remake (as nearly all remade films are!), and of no service whatsoever
>> to Golding's tale. I do not own it. It was exceedinly shallow and,
>> unfortunately, bound by the culture and time in which it was made.
>> After all, who nowadays knows about Alf? Both Golding's novel and the
>> 1963 film transcend culture and time.
>>
>> Who is Alf, anyway?
>>
>> I was unable to locate the stories which you recommended to me. But
>> thank you for the suggestion, and also for writing me here.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> HMSVV
>>
>>
>>
>> God Save the Queen.
>> God Bless the Prince of Wales.
>> God Preserve the Windsors.
>> Rule Britannia!
>
>Hello Victor,
>I agree with you completely about the films, the second is a shallow
>American thing.
>About the stories I mentioned, you can find them here:
>http://www.cornercafe.us/
>best wishes
>Dianthus
Dear Dianthus,
I'll give it a bash. Thank you!
V
God Save the Queen.
God Bless the Prince of Wales.
God Preserve the Windsors.
Rule Britannia!
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