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Group_Troll wrote in alt.fan.utb.naughty-boy on Thursday 21 July 2011 23:53
in Message-ID: <4e28f3ab$0$5711$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com>:
[snip]
>> My fear is that the push underground is going to not only increase the
>> danger to users but to the boys they are around as well.
>
> Has already happened!
Not good at all.
>> This manifests itself in a couple of ways. One, this drying up of material
>> may push people to much more dangerous modes of transfer like p2p or irc,
>> which increases their likelihood of being caught and their and their young
>> friend's lives destroyed.
>
> Yep! That's what humans did. Great success on some p2p. Disaster for
> others.
The only ones benefiting here are law-enforcement.
>> Two, in desperation to gain access to groups BL's will start self-
>> producing material and trading it.
>
> Already being done for several past years. But not in the open. Old
> posters and old-time lurkers worked agreements and went private mode or
> left usenet and went to private servers to trade/post pics. Fuck the ones
> left behind.
This tallies with what I've been able to glean from law-enforcement circles.
>> These are activities that I have never even considered participating in,
Good.
>> but I have evidence that this is exactly the measures many take to
>> fulfill their desires. None of these circumstances are good. It results
>> in more people in prison, more boys abused, more lives destroyed.
>
> Let's repeat that: "It results in more people in prison, more boys
> abused, more lives destroyed."
>
> One more time: "It results in more people in prison, more boys abused,
> more lives destroyed."
Well said. A net loss for everyone, except law-enforcement.
[snip]
> Now that I have made my comments, I will give Doc my opinion.
> Yet I am just a brainless troll unlike you humans who give some damn good
> points/comments/suggestions/life facts at times. You can go deep into the
> subject with your heart as you talk, or you may post shallow like I do.
> Being a troll lets me hide from my lifestyle and my usenet past.
Ok.
> My old posting nic is long gone. I have been busted twice and that's
> twice too many.
Having been busted, your only recourse is to /scrupulously/ obey the law.
Now mind, this is the best course of action for *everyone* -- whether they
like it or not. (If nothing else, this will utterly confound your enemies.)
[snip]
> Many friends left uesnet and found a life. They left out of fear - yes
> FEAR! And they also left because usenet groups were wasting away. If there
> is no one to talk to - and you cannot talk about the subject matter openly
> thanks to fuckin' pedo-hunters, you leave usenet for good, or go underground.
That was/is entirely the wrong thing to do. In leaving Usenet, or going
underground, you cede the battle to the censors, those who would silence you.
People like bobandcarole (B&C) and his ilk believe that people who hold
different points of view than they do have NO right to free speech. He would
argue that you have no right to be heard, whatsoever. I say, fuck that noise!
In leaving Usenet, by shuddering into silence, you give B&C and his assorted
hangers-on the very validation they so desperately seek.
> look at the boy/girl support groups and think of bobandcarol, etc. I
> could run my fuckin' mouth even more but I post in the open.
Congratulations! You've just made bobandcarole's day -- if not his month --
with your statement, above. Instead of resisting his attempts (and those of
his assorted hangers-on) to silence you, you just cower in fear like a beaten
dog, and then slink away with your tail between your legs.
What are you gonna do next, lick his boots?
Get this through your thick skull -- bobandcarole, their assorted hangers-on,
supporters et al., ONLY HAVE POWER TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU GIVE IT TO THEM.
They are NOTHING more than loudmouth bullies.
I'm in those groups on an almost daily basis. B&C and his hangers-on are
absolutely powerless to shut me up, or to take any other action against me.
On the 30th of July, 2009 bobandcarole threatened to 'out' me. I laughed in
his face and told him to do his worst. He told me he was 'working on it',
that I 'would be so surprised', 'Eventually you'll get what's coming to you,'
etc.
I replied that the only thing that would indeed surprise me would be if he
were able to make good on his threat. I've been waiting a full 2 years now,
and I'll probably die of old age first. (He has even had the unmitigated
gall to deny that he ever said he would out me, so great are his baldfaced
lies.)
I've told him if he doesn't like what I post, he is entirely free to submit
it to the law-enforcement agency of his choice. I've told him that I'd like
to be a fly on the wall if he tries, just to see how the police laugh him
out of the room!
I've also reminded him that I do not make use of the X-No-Archive: header --
unlike him -- and that I am willing to stand behind my words and not make
them disappear from view after a time. Furthermore, I use a PGP digital
signature on each post, so I cannot later disavow anything I say as a
forgery. (This also prevents others from attempting to frame me; where I
live, in Canada, text can constitute child pornography.)
[snip]
> SAFETY FIRST!
>
> USE X-No-Archive on every post you make!
This is a *TERRIBLE* piece of security advice. All the X-No-Archive: header
does is to remove a post from Google's index, nothing more. All that means
is it won't show-up if someone does a search for it. (There are other sites
that maintain Usenet archives, not just Google.)
*Anyone* can archive a post, and keep it forever. Furthermore, anyone who
replies to your post also has to use the X-No-Archive: header -- if they do
not, then the parts of your post(s) that are quoted will be indexed forever.
Finally, many Usenet news (NNTP) providers have retention periods in excess
of two years.
B&C is a great lover of the X-No-Archive: header, thinking it makes his posts
disappear, so he can later deny having said certain things. I once branded
him a racist, and reminded him that he frequently bandied-about the word
'nigger'. Naturally, he indignantly denied this and, as is so often his wont,
he demanded 'cites' or 'proof'. I reproduced the article(s) in question,
with full headers, thus proving beyond a doubt that he was a bald-faced liar
when he denied /ever/ having used the word 'nigger'.
Moral of the story: Don't rely on the X-No-Archive: header or it may come
back later to bite you squarely on the ass.
Baal <Baal@Usenet.org>
PGP Key: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1E92C0E8
PGP Key Fingerprint: 40E4 E9BB D084 22D5 3DE9 66B8 08E3 638C 1E92 C0E8
Retired Lecturer, Encryption and Data Security, Pedo U, Usenet Campus
- --
Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?" -- "Who will watch the Watchmen?"
-- Juvenal, Satires, VI, 347. circa 128 AD
If you accept that freedom of speech is important, then you are going to
have to defend the indefensible. -- Neil Gaiman
"Obscenity laws belong in the dustbin of history along with hoop-skirts,
celluloid collars and buggy-whips. I find it incredible that in the 21st
Century, we are _still_ trying to enforce morality laws drafted in the
19th Century!"
-- Baal
I'm a free speech absolutist; if that means supporting NAMBLA's right to
publish their views in a magazine or a website, then so be it. I *DO* *NOT*
support the /goals/ of the organization, but I *DO* support their free speech
rights. Whether you like to acknowledge it or not, there _is_ a difference.
FWIW, I'm no different than the ACLU in that regard; they do not support
NAMBLA's goals, but they *do* support their free speech rights.
The so-called 'antis' ... are diametrically opposed to this -- any of you
(with the possible exception of RedDog) would gladly censor any materials
you don't approve of, and/or have their authors jailed. /That/ is why I
oppose you, not because of any ostensible approval of underage sex.
I believe people should have the right to read what they want, and write
what they want, without government interference, PERIOD.
-- Baal
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