| Re: What happens when the content goes away? |
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2011/07/22 04:14 |
On 21 Jul 2011 22:53:01 -0500, "Group_Troll"
<GroupTroll@Pissed.Off.nl> wrote:
>FROM: Doc NP-f31
>
>> Thank you all for your comments in the previous thread. This post also
>> went unnoticed in The Fort. Perhaps it will raise an eyebrow here...
>>
>> I got a very impressive e-mail from a friend in the groups. He raised
>> some very valid points that have been on my mind. I asked if I might
>> share his thoughts with those here and he agreed. I will present his
>> thoughts and then add my own later.
>>
>> Dear Doc,
>>
>> In the list you provide for people, you bind an unenforceable
>> agreement that the reciever will not touch boys by accepting access to
>> the material in the groups.
>But many of us do what we do in private which blows the agreement away.
>I cannot say more. I post in the open.
>
>> While I have ascribed to this doctrine
>> long before I knew of your existence, your statement reenforced the
>> concept within my moral framework. A lot of people would argue that
>> the aformentioned material in itself is extremely harmful to boys (as
>> is reflected in the law), but the arguments to support that case are
>> very dubious. Hhaving access to such materialcan make relationships
>> with young friends pressure free and peaceful. Of course, like any man
>> I have sexual desire, and like any BL I have desire specifically for
>> the boys I know, but knowing that I have an outlet for that desire
>> elsewhere has allowed me to explore and fulfill emotional and
>> intellectual aspects of our relationships without the constant looming
>> threat of emotional trauma and destruction. I know I am not alone in
>> this situation, but this is something that the authorities will never
>> seem to understand, that having freely available access to this
>> material helps prevent abuse. Whatever mental gymnastics law makers
>> use to condemn posession one fact remains undisputable, looking at a
>> picture is not the same as actual touching. The real potential harm
>> from one totally eclipses the metaphysical harm waves that come from
>> the other. But enough preaching to the choir.
>I have seen both sides of this issue and there are valid points - pro and
>con - to what you are repeating, as this subject has been around for many
>years. To each man his own! What you say effects some men and boys and it
>affects other men and boys. Agin, every human is different and our
>differences can be adjustable for our public face vs what we do with boys
>in private.
>
>>
>> This leads me to the current state of the groups. Fortunately, during
>> the last few years, retention has exploded to over a thousand days.
>> This means that material that at one time vanished within 3 months now
>> remains for years, and it means newcomers and old timers alike have
>> access to a much larger pool than ever before. And even though the
>> posters began to start using encryption, their passwords and keys were
>> freely propogated by generous people and accessible by any lurker
>> willing to put in the minimum amount of effort in discovery. It seems
>> to me that this era is coming to an end.
>This era you mentioned did end a few years ago. It is now too late.
>
>> For whatever reason, groups
>> of posters have closed up shop to outsiders and no longer find it
>> worthwile to share what they are posting. I cannot blame them for that
>> decision whatsoever, as posters risk great personal safety in order to
>> provide material, so any security measures they take are de facto very
>> reasonable and perhaps necessary.
>There were several very valid reasons for posters to stop. Let's not
>repeat old shit and start fighting. Posters are gone for their own
>reasons. Fuckin' freeloaders and whiners and bitching jerks can shove it
>up their fuckin' asses! You done got under my fur. Let me shut-the-fuck-
>up!
>
>>
>> My fear is that the push underground is going to not only increase the
>> danger to users but to the boys they are around as well.
>Has already happened!
>
>> This
>> manifests itself in a couple of ways. One, this drying up of material
>> may push people to much more dangerous modes of transfer like p2p or
>> irc, which increases their likelihood of being caught and their and
>> their young friend's lives destroyed.
>Yep! That's what humans did. Great success on some p2p. Disaster for
>others.
>
>> Two, in desperation to gain
>> access to groups BL's will start self-producing material and trading
>> it.
>Already being done for several past years. But not in the open. Old
>posters and old-time lurkers worked agreements and went private mode or
>left usenet and went to private servers to trade/post pics. Fuck the ones
>left behind.
>
>> These are activities that I have never even considered
>> participating in, but I have evidence that this is
>> exactly the measures many take to fulfill their desires. None of these
>> circumstances are good. It results in more people in prison, more boys
>> abused, more lives destroyed.
>
>Let's repeat that: "It results in more people in prison, more boys
>abused, more lives destroyed."
>
>One more time: "It results in more people in prison, more boys abused,
>more lives destroyed."
>
>>
>> *********************
>>
>> Your opinions are solicited,
>>
>> Stay Safe,
>>
>> Doc
>>
>
>Now that I have made my comments, I will give Doc my opinion.
>Yet I am just a brainless troll unlike you humans who give some damn good
>points/comments/suggestions/life facts at times. You can go deep into the
>subject with your heart as you talk, or you may post shallow like I do.
>Being a troll lets me hide from my lifestyle and my usenet past.
>My old posting nic is long gone. I have been busted twice and that's
>twice too many. You see Doc, what your friend said is old news that keeps
>evolving. My usenet died years ago. My friends rot in prison. Many
>friends have died. Many friends left uesnet and found a life. They left
>out of fear - yes FEAR! And they also left because usenet groups were
>wasting away. If there is no one to talk to - and you cannot talk about
>the subject matter openly thanks to fuckin' pedo-hunters, you leave
>usenet for good, or go underground. look at the boy/girl support groups
>and think of bobandcarol, etc. I could run my fuckin' mouth even more
>but I post in the open. Okay - one more to start a fight - I miss my
>friends like Darkshadows and ::Y-Not:: was my friend, and I loved
>asparagus and certain other groups.
me2
-g
>And there are some who lurk and post
>only when the moon is blue. Welcome back KidHacker!
>Okay. This time I say good-bye!
>
>SAFETY FIRST!
>
>USE X-No-Archive on every post you make!
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