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From: "Group_Troll" <GroupTroll@Pissed.Off.nl>
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Subject: Re: What happens when the content goes away?
Date: 21 Jul 2011 22:53:01 -0500
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FROM: Doc NP-f31
> Thank you all for your comments in the previous thread. This post also
> went unnoticed in The Fort. Perhaps it will raise an eyebrow here...
>
> I got a very impressive e-mail from a friend in the groups. He raised
> some very valid points that have been on my mind. I asked if I might
> share his thoughts with those here and he agreed. I will present his
> thoughts and then add my own later.
>
> Dear Doc,
>
> In the list you provide for people, you bind an unenforceable
> agreement that the reciever will not touch boys by accepting access to
> the material in the groups.
But many of us do what we do in private which blows the agreement away.
I cannot say more. I post in the open.
> While I have ascribed to this doctrine
> long before I knew of your existence, your statement reenforced the
> concept within my moral framework. A lot of people would argue that
> the aformentioned material in itself is extremely harmful to boys (as
> is reflected in the law), but the arguments to support that case are
> very dubious. Hhaving access to such materialcan make relationships
> with young friends pressure free and peaceful. Of course, like any man
> I have sexual desire, and like any BL I have desire specifically for
> the boys I know, but knowing that I have an outlet for that desire
> elsewhere has allowed me to explore and fulfill emotional and
> intellectual aspects of our relationships without the constant looming
> threat of emotional trauma and destruction. I know I am not alone in
> this situation, but this is something that the authorities will never
> seem to understand, that having freely available access to this
> material helps prevent abuse. Whatever mental gymnastics law makers
> use to condemn posession one fact remains undisputable, looking at a
> picture is not the same as actual touching. The real potential harm
> from one totally eclipses the metaphysical harm waves that come from
> the other. But enough preaching to the choir.
I have seen both sides of this issue and there are valid points - pro and
con - to what you are repeating, as this subject has been around for many
years. To each man his own! What you say effects some men and boys and it
affects other men and boys. Agin, every human is different and our
differences can be adjustable for our public face vs what we do with boys
in private.
>
> This leads me to the current state of the groups. Fortunately, during
> the last few years, retention has exploded to over a thousand days.
> This means that material that at one time vanished within 3 months now
> remains for years, and it means newcomers and old timers alike have
> access to a much larger pool than ever before. And even though the
> posters began to start using encryption, their passwords and keys were
> freely propogated by generous people and accessible by any lurker
> willing to put in the minimum amount of effort in discovery. It seems
> to me that this era is coming to an end.
This era you mentioned did end a few years ago. It is now too late.
> For whatever reason, groups
> of posters have closed up shop to outsiders and no longer find it
> worthwile to share what they are posting. I cannot blame them for that
> decision whatsoever, as posters risk great personal safety in order to
> provide material, so any security measures they take are de facto very
> reasonable and perhaps necessary.
There were several very valid reasons for posters to stop. Let's not
repeat old shit and start fighting. Posters are gone for their own
reasons. Fuckin' freeloaders and whiners and bitching jerks can shove it
up their fuckin' asses! You done got under my fur. Let me shut-the-fuck-
up!
>
> My fear is that the push underground is going to not only increase the
> danger to users but to the boys they are around as well.
Has already happened!
> This
> manifests itself in a couple of ways. One, this drying up of material
> may push people to much more dangerous modes of transfer like p2p or
> irc, which increases their likelihood of being caught and their and
> their young friend's lives destroyed.
Yep! That's what humans did. Great success on some p2p. Disaster for
others.
> Two, in desperation to gain
> access to groups BL's will start self-producing material and trading
> it.
Already being done for several past years. But not in the open. Old
posters and old-time lurkers worked agreements and went private mode or
left usenet and went to private servers to trade/post pics. Fuck the ones
left behind.
> These are activities that I have never even considered
> participating in, but I have evidence that this is
> exactly the measures many take to fulfill their desires. None of these
> circumstances are good. It results in more people in prison, more boys
> abused, more lives destroyed.
Let's repeat that: "It results in more people in prison, more boys
abused, more lives destroyed."
One more time: "It results in more people in prison, more boys abused,
more lives destroyed."
>
> *********************
>
> Your opinions are solicited,
>
> Stay Safe,
>
> Doc
>
Now that I have made my comments, I will give Doc my opinion.
Yet I am just a brainless troll unlike you humans who give some damn good
points/comments/suggestions/life facts at times. You can go deep into the
subject with your heart as you talk, or you may post shallow like I do.
Being a troll lets me hide from my lifestyle and my usenet past.
My old posting nic is long gone. I have been busted twice and that's
twice too many. You see Doc, what your friend said is old news that keeps
evolving. My usenet died years ago. My friends rot in prison. Many
friends have died. Many friends left uesnet and found a life. They left
out of fear - yes FEAR! And they also left because usenet groups were
wasting away. If there is no one to talk to - and you cannot talk about
the subject matter openly thanks to fuckin' pedo-hunters, you leave
usenet for good, or go underground. look at the boy/girl support groups
and think of bobandcarol, etc. I could run my fuckin' mouth even more
but I post in the open. Okay - one more to start a fight - I miss my
friends like Darkshadows and ::Y-Not:: was my friend, and I loved
asparagus and certain other groups. And there are some who lurk and post
only when the moon is blue. Welcome back KidHacker!
Okay. This time I say good-bye!
SAFETY FIRST!
USE X-No-Archive on every post you make!
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