In article <6ct5469aunc6ac3dnqis7bn0igt2397g6r@4ax.com>, NP-f31 wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2010 22:22:00 -0500, " +Grant. " <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>
> >In article <kedv369ri360u4o40g5miguj4udk0srpf4@4ax.com>, NP-f31
> ><dudewiththe(REMOVE)hair@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 15 Jul 2010 22:33:15 GMT, David <not@home.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >NP-f31 wrote in news:odvp36d5bjc6e0uchmg2skklck7aar55to@4ax.com:
> >> >
> >> >> On 13 Jul 2010 18:38:49 GMT, David <not@home.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Thank you Doc for sharing - someone close to me read your note and has
> >> >>>whispered that trust is a two way street.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>David
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks to all who responded, Grant, Zackie, Rikard and David.
> >> >>
> >> >> David your note intrigues me. Not only is trust a two way street, but
> >> >> trust is earned. My son can tell me anything because he knows I will
> >> >> never judge him and the advice I give him is based on experience,
> >> >> considered thought and unconditional love. I couldn't and didn't talk
> >> >> to my own Dad about the sort of things my kids talk to me about. I can
> >> >> do it now because I'm where he was then.
> >> >>
> >> >> As a boylover I work on gaining and maintaining the trust of the boys
> >> >> in my life. I try to be consistent and focused on them and their
> >> >> needs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you talking about trusting the boys in your life? I agree this is
> >> >> sometimes a challenge. I have dealt with boys who were lairs or would
> >> >> steal from me. These things are not insurmountable. But the secret to
> >> >> success is to never put yourself (or your boy) in a position where
> >> >> your fate is in his hands. Is that what you were getting at?
> >> >>
> >> >> Doc
> >> >> NP-f31
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Doc,
> >> >
> >> >Double Trouble (DT) and I have been following threads in this NG as it
> >> >closely follows a discussion we have been having in regard to health,
> >> >life and love - just to mention a few relevant subjects that is of
> >> >interest to a very near thirteen year old. Part of the interest is what
> >> >do other people think of these matters and why is there such a range of
> >> >opinion (and matters surgical as with your discussion with VV were of
> >> >great interest).
> >> >
> >> >We covered the "birds and the bees" a couple of years ago and at the
> >> >time I was startled at the graphic description I was given by DT on this
> >> >process - I was trying to keep it biological / medical and this was not
> >> >the confirmation that was sought.
> >> >
> >> >DT read your note about your son and friends which then started a
> >> >discussion on careing and love - why our emotions are different
> >> >depending on whom we are relating to - why we can talk openly and
> >> >honestly to certain people, which he calls trust but also relates to
> >> >love - and others where we have to hide our feelings and thoughts. The
> >> >love that DT is exploring is not of the "I love sweets or love watching
> >> >a movie" it has a deep sense of belonging and giving.
> >> >
> >> >My description of DT is superficial and wanting though perhaps in time I
> >> >can elaborate a bit more. DT is far from being precocious, plays soccer
> >> >and cricket, drives a decrepit quad bike far too fast, plays a mean game
> >> >of chess, speaks four languages fluently and understands the basics of
> >> >two others - this the result of parents living and working in foreign
> >> >places. I'm just the guardian, surrogate father and friend.
> >> >
> >> >David
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey David and DT!
> >>
> >> Thanks for clarifying your 'cryptic quote' in the previous post. Yes,
> >> yes, yes trust is a two-way street. When it comes to the deep feelings
> >> of love that DT is exploring trust is the crux, isn't it? Whether the
> >> object of our affection is male or female, broaching that critical
> >> subject of 'this is how I feel about you' hinges on how comfortable
> >> you feel when it comes to trusting your heart to another. A dear
> >> friend in The Fort some years ago, Spencer (NP-f30) was a few months
> >> older than DT when he discovered that he had strong feelings for his
> >> best friend Ricky. He got a lot of mixed signals from Ricky. Ricky was
> >> very affectionate to Spencer, but he also had a 'girlfriend'. We
> >> talked about how to let Ricky know that Spencer had strong feelings
> >> for him. I told Spencer that 'normally' I would advocate being direct,
> >> but since we didn't really know how Ricky felt, we should consider his
> >> feelings and say something that could be construed two ways. If Ricky
> >> reacted negatively, then Spencer could say, 'Oh, I meant THIS, not
> >> that.' But Spencer was in love and impetuous and he swung for the
> >> fences (American euphemism for going for broke) he ended up freaking
> >> Ricky out and spoiling their friendship. And a lot of other bad things
> >> ensued.
> >>
> >> I sympathize with DT if he is experiencing such emotions. At almost 13
> >> DT has just begun to figure out his own emotions and reading the heart
> >> of someone else is damn near impossible. If I might suggest to DT,
> >> your friend David seems a level headed sort. You might bounce ideas
> >> off him. If David is the object of affection, well.....it's probably
> >> okay to hug him.
> >>
> >> Double Trouble, if I may be so bold:
> >>
> >> The guys in here, David, VV, Grant, Zackie, Chad, et al. we're all
> >> about helping boys like you. You've been following our heartfelt
> >> discussions and insane mutterings. Is there something YOU would like
> >> us to discuss? We're here for you, young dude. We'll be thrilled to do
> >> what we love to do anyway in the service of one of our young friends.
> >>
> >> Be careful though, you might end up as a usenet rock star like Spencer
> >> Dude did. LOL!
> >>
> >> Much love and affection,
> >>
> >> Doc
> >> NP-f31
> >
> >
> >Thank you for including me in your list. You can be so bold, no
> >problem. LOL
> >
> >There is more than one reason I'm writing and posting the Stevie
> >stories. One of them is to inspire the good things in kids who might
> >read them. I think after the first year of summer camp stories have
> >been posted, which go up to #27, they could be given to boys for fun
> >reading, and maybe more. I would wait until then, because there will be
> >some hetero things which will give the series more sexual balance. I've
> >written up to #34 now, and there are much more parts to come, with
> >important life lessons, and some fun too.
> >
> >I would like to know what T-Bone would think of the stories. Can I
> >include him in one? It will not be a bad character. I don't do that
> >with people we know. I have already made Chad an important character,
> >at your suggestion. It was a good idea. I could explore some
> >interesting issues I couldn't do before which I wanted to do. Thanks.
>
> Hey Grant,
>
> T-Bone thought it would be hilarious to be in your Stevie stories and
> after I decscribed the 'monster' he said he wanted 'to meet this kid'.
> SO by all means, write in T-Bone. We are all getting together for a
> week on Friday, so he can read them then (he only has internet access
> at Mac's house). If you post the story with him in before Aug 1st he
> might be able to reply.
>
> Stay Safe and Happy,
>
> Doc
> NP-f31
He is in camp stories #23 and #26.
There are problems.
My usual posting of 2 a week won't get that far before then. I don't
want to change that. There are reasons.
I could email the stories to you which don't get posted in time, but
they might not be the final versions which get posted. I keep revising
each one until I push the "post" button. That way I can make changes
which support future ideas and stories when I think of them.
I don't want you or anybody else to know and write here about stories
before I post them. I want people to read them in order, and have time
to think about each one before the next one. Then I can give hints to
make more interest and anticipation for what happens next. For example,
if Jeremy is gay, what happens when he comes out to his parents, and
how would that involve Stevie? If you see the stories before I want
them to be seen, it will spoil some of these pleasures (if they exist)
for you.
I would like T-Bone to see my stories. That's not as special as you
might think. I want every boy to see them. He's the only one I know
about who might get to.
Maybe someday they will be published in a kind of underground book.
Would they need to come with flashlights? LOL
What do you think about all that?
Some extras.
There will be a David. He will help Stevie with something very
important, which David doesn't think is possible.
T-Bone will have a bigger "role" in the next year in camp. I write the
stories, so I can do that. LOL
Tomorrow I will post The Adventures of Stevie #17 "Life is a Beach"
Is it really so for him? Maybe. LOL
--
Grant
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