In article <iir916len4elldbgtlnpkdemut5dffvjn0@4ax.com>, HMS Victor
Victorian <victorvictorian@hushunomail.com> wrote:
> On 12 Jun 2010 23:06:01 -0500, " +Grant. " <+Grant@grant.grant> wrote:
>
> >In article <bfd7df614cfe8b26cf781502558983f3@mixmaster.it>, George
> >Orwell <nobody@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi HMS Victorian
> >>
> >> First i wanted to thank you for posting this very lovely pictures
> >> from the Romanov family, that unfortunaly were killed the way that
> >> they were, i think that killing the Tsar would be understandable
> >> because he was a danger to the communist revolution, but killing his
> >> family was not needed in my opinion, but even with my limitations
> >> regarding this story i think that i remember reading it some years ago,
> >> i do remember that in the time of the Tsar in the russian country
> >> existed much poverty and hunger and many people, including young children
> >> died from it, and when people complained about it they were killed,
> >> so in truth even if the Lenin/Stalin regime was terrible, the Tsar regime
> >> was not better for most of the russian people. I only have pity for the
> >> young
> >> prince and his sisters because they didn`t have any guilt regarding that,
> >> but regarding the Tsar i do belive that he received what he deserved,
> >> for killing so many people with hunger and poverty when he and his nobles
> >> lived very well.
> >> Regarding Your question about the sexual prohibitions of sexual activity
> >> between
> >> adults and children, i think in a similar way of Doc, one thing is rape
> >> and
> >> that should always be punished severely, like in any other case not
> >> considering
> >> the persons age because that is not important for that situation in my
> >> opinion,
> >> other thing is children who willingly engage in sexual acts with adults and
> >> older children, and that should be legal in my opinion if that is what the
> >> child
> >> really want and he/she is not forced in any way.
> >> Anyway, sorry for any mistakes in my writing, but my english is very
> >> limited
> >> and
> >> when i use words that i normaly don`t use i know that many mistakes can
> >> happen, but
> >> i thinked of giving my opinion about it anyway.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for all your wonderful posts and for all your amazing
> >> contributions
> >> to our newsgroups during all this time, and also for you being a very nice
> >> person.
> >>
> >> Take care and best regards
> >>
> >
> >I just noticed this thread.
> >
> >History and political science are my major interests. This means I
> >agree with you, but the entire country suffered from World War 1, too.
> >That wasn't all the Tsar's fault, but most of the surviving poor didn't
> >care about the details, and who would blame them?
> >
> >After a successful totalitarian revolution, political necessity
> >(survival) would require the elimination of any possible direct royal
> >descendent, to prevent the survivor being used as a nucleus of a
> >royalist counterrevolution. We don't like that, but reality doesn't
> >care how we feel. There was so much animosity against the royal family
> >that their murder probably served to help heal the county after the
> >war, and prevent another war inside the country. Then Stalin became
> >worse, but that's another story.
> >
> >I just wrote a Stevie story which is coincidently about some of the
> >other issues in this thread which I will post after the two stories
> >that come before it. The theme happened accidentally and took on a life
> >of it's own. I have seen authors say that before and thought it was
> >crazy. Now I have to believe it really does happen. LOL
> >There is another story I plan to write, about bullying by an adult.
> >While Stevie isn't real, but is a combination of many people and my
> >imagination, I want his stories to mean something to us more than just
> >fun. I hope you will agree and like my contribution to the fort. I
> >can't stop writing them anyway. LOL
> >
> >Whoever you are (LOL), I have to say to you I think your English
> >writing is better than mine in some ways. This motivates me to do
> >better, just as much as learning how to write better for the stories is
> >doing. Thank you.
> >
> >ps to Doc
> >There is going to be a VERY nice nurse in one of the stories!
>
> Dear Grant,
>
> I would note that the Bolsheviks under Lenin did not directly inherit
> power once the Tsar was overthrown, but rather the Mencheviks, who
> attempted to establish a socialist-democratic regime. They, in turn,
> were overthrown by the Communists, to a great part due to the
> government's failure to pull Russia out of the War. Also, there was a
> counter revolution underway almost immediately after the fact, as well
> as foreign intervention against the new regime. I think the book and
> film Dr. Zhivago said it all best in reference to the criminal
> execution of the royal family ... it meant there was no going back.
>
> Still, I feel political necessity can never justify cold blooded
> murder.
>
> V
> God Save the Queen.
> God Bless the Prince of Wales.
> God Preserve the Windsors.
> Rule Britannia!
Yes. I simplified just enough to support my point which was more
political process than historical. I wasn't justifying.
Royal succession issues have had many deliberate murderous
"interruptions" in history. Your short lived boy monarch (proclaimed
but not crowned) King Edward V, for example, and his younger brother
Richard. They didn't choose their lives, or their deaths.
It's always the children who suffer the most in almost every political
process. Let us mourn for the best of us, who can protect themselves
the least.
--
Grant
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