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From: Frogbutt <frog@pamboisinsane.org>
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Subject: Re: A Caveat of Their Own
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 04:02:21 +0000 (UTC)
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HMS Victor Victorian <VictorVictorian@NBG.com> wrote in
news:fo0724te3lumjuf841uo35tgrp7fr0i1iq@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 08 May 2008 20:13:07 GMT, the non <myaddress@server.co> wrote:
>
>>In article <joh624hbfoeurctuh7kn5ceegkj9nvfqbq@4ax.com>,
>> HMS Victor Victorian <VictorVictorian@NBG.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 23:26:08 +0000 (UTC), floppy@flop.com wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Mon, 05 May 2008 20:00:01 +0000, HMS Victor Victorian wrote:
>>> >
>>> >I'd assumed that guy had already been caught - apparently not.
>>> >They took a long time to get on his case, those images have been
>>> >around a while I believe. And yes, the kids appeared to be having
>>> >a ball by all accounts.
>>> >
>>> >As I understand it, sexual contact between men and boys in certain
>>> >parts of the Asia was traditionally considered more a matter for a
>>> >joke than a lynching, or so I have read. Silly old men chasing
>>> >little boys.
>>> >
>>> >Boys couldn't get pregant, and different standards of what
>>> >constitutes "impurity" were/are applied to boy than the much more
>>> >serious standards applied to girls. Or it was institutionalized
>>> >and sactioned in some other places, such as those dancing boys in
>>> >parts of Java.
>>> >
>>> >Then the NGOs arrived in Asia chasing overseas aid funding. First
>>> >they said: "you pedos say this culture tolerates and even
>>> >understands your desire to do stuff with little boys. Wrong! They
>>> >do not tolerate it at all, it is frowned upon!". There was
>>> >something very like this on the ECPAT website in the late 1990s.
>>> >Yet at the same time, they conceded that child prostitution was
>>> >always driven and sustained by local demand; sex tourism had and
>>> >has a very small part to play economically in thay business. But
>>> >catching sex tourists gets a lot more headlines, more headlines
>>> >mean more beat up, more beat up means more funding for NGOs. NGOs
>>> >are businesses, not charities. Hence the claims on the Inquisition
>>> >website that NGOs in Cambodia are actively paying taxi drivers and
>>> >others to turn in customers interested in minors. They have also
>>> >bribed witnesses to otain convictions in that country (some false
>>> >withnesses have recanted and told about this).
>>> >
>>> >By the early 2000s. ECPAT had given up saying it wasn't really
>>> >tolerated. Instead, they publically berated and *chastized* the
>>> >people of Cambodia for their "apathy" concerning sex with minors.
>>> >In other words, it seemed they actually didn't care very much after
>>> >all! Many Cambodians tolerated a certain amount of this activity,
>>> >always had, in fact it has been embedded throughout much of Asia in
>>> >one form or another for thousands of years. Then there's large
>>> >parts of South Asia where men have been loving boys for countless
>>> >thousands of years.
>>> >
>>> >Thus ends another rant. Probably no-one except VV, the trolls and
>>> >the police are reading it.
>>>
>>> Quite correct. Please feel free to "rant on." It appears our
>>> honorary troll mascot for the Galleries has neglected to read your
>>> essay, which is understandable considering his cognitive preference
>>> for single syllable words.
>>>
>>> I find it curious that there is very little discussion regarding the
>>> history and ubiquitousness of Boy Love among western English
>>> speaking countries. Aside from certain references to Lewis Carroll,
>>> for example, there appears to be very little to be found regarding
>>> it. That Boy Lovers might, however lacking in discretion, may seek
>>> companionship on shores less radicalised is perfectly predictable,
>>> but I will state my deep suspicion that if Boy Lovers from western
>>> societies that so repress Boy Love, not to mention sexual expression
>>> in general, were NOT seeking this companionship abroad, these
>>> agencies would have considerably less concern as to what was going
>>> on in Bangkok [no pun intended]. There are paedophiles throughout
>>> the world, probably in every culture. So, pray tell, has anyone
>>> seen a desperate INTERPOL request to hunt down an individual from
>>> some non-western society? Yet no expense is apparently spared in
>>> dragging some bloody Brit or American before the bar.
>>>
>>> Damnable hypocrites, for they care less for the welfare of children
>>> than they do for restraining members of their own society.
>>>
>>> My best regards,
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> God Save the Queen!
>>> God Preserve the Prince of Wales!
>>> Rule Britannia!
>>
>>They also have no knowledge of their own history. In the 1850s there
>>were "peg houses" openly operating in San Francisco. In the 17th
>>century, most families in England were too poor to support their
>>children so out they went at about age ten, girls to indentured
>>domestic servitude, boys to apprenticeships. However, many were
>>simply chucked out as there were alleged to be fewer than 40,000
>>families in all of England who could support their children. Of those
>>sold into servitude (and yes, they were sold), many had bad masters
>>and ran away. Those children gravitated into child/juvenile gangs that
>>lived by theft for the most part. Do people today think that Dickens
>>made up the plot of "Oliver Twist"? He was more of a reporter than a
>>novelist.
>>
>>As for other cultures from which we draw out roots, the ancient Jews
>>were notorious paederasts, crossing over to the Temple of Baal at
>>night to frolic with the priest/catamites that infested the temple for
>>small fees. Moses was most pissed off by that, because those Jews
>>weren't making little Jews.
>>
>>The pirates of the 17th and 18th centuries were also notorious
>>paederasts -- what do you thing the duties of the cabin boys were? In
>>feudal Japan the samurais preferred boys to anything else, and that
>>tradition continued in Japan into the modern era, particularly at
>>travelers' inns.
>>
>>Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos as well as mainland China have had
>>centuries of traditions mixing men, boys and lubrication. In
>>primitive cultures of the south seas, Africa and South America, some
>>cultures were wide open to childhood sexuality, and even had
>>formalized annual paederastic traditions (the long houses where the
>>young initiates lived were a "window" for adults to fornicate with the
>>boys for that one time each year). It is interesting that primitive
>>cultures that did not conceal adult sexuality from children, and did
>>not suppress childhood sexuality, produced adult cultures in which
>>fidelity prevailed, without theft, aggression or other violence -- but
>>primitive cultures that concealed adult sexuality and prevented
>>children from sexual play and expression, developed adult societies
>>much like our own -- rife with violence, infidelity and crime. Too
>>bad we have missed the message.
>>
>>As for CP on the Internet, in whatever form, people are interested for
>>a variety of reasons. But it should be clear even to a child of
>>tender age that of the hundreds of thousands of people (both men and
>>women) who collect and view images, almost none of them are child
>>molesters or ever will be. In part, because of the benign outlet
>>passive imagery provides. The scary thing is that if LEA is
>>successful in totally suppressing CP, at least some of those people
>>who are happily looking at the computer screens will hit the streets
>>actively looking for scores that they would not normally consider,
>>fantasy and looking at pictures being disease, blackmail or other
>>forms of personal endangerment. As for the subjects of the photos,
>>claims that they are "damaged" are vastly overstated. A child MIGHT
>>be, SOME children might be, but ANY child is definitely not, nor are
>>MOST children so harmed. They are simply having a great time with
>>someone they like and trust.
>
> I'd like to offer a short observation at this point.
>
> First, large scale societies, in contrast to small scale aka primitive
> societies, generally devalue the individual. The larger the society,
> the less valued the individual, because they are seen as individually
> expendable.
>
> Your comments regarding "primitive sexuality" reminded me of a rather
> humourous story I once read in an ethnography about the Yanomami tribe
> of Venezuela. The anthropologist doing the study in the Yanomami
> village, a woman by the way, was walking along during siesta time, as
> it were, and came upon a young father sitting against a post holding
> his dozing three year old son across his lap.
>
> Now, with the exception of a waist strap, both father and son were as
> naked as babes. The anthropologist noted that the father was
> serenading his son not with a lullaby, but by slowly masturbating the
> lad's penis, which soon became approvingly erect. Certainly the
> little boy was enjoying the attention ... and, as it became very
> apparent to the outside observer, so was the father, who was beginning
> to have an erection as well!
>
> Now in Yanomami culture, so I am given to understand, no breach of
> modesty or etiquette is made as long as the man's foreskin continues
> to conceal. So, quite nonchalantly, the father looked right up at the
> anthropologist with a smile and proclaimed, "He'll have lots of sex
> with women when he grows up!"
>
> Priceless! God only knows who INTERPOL might try to arrest first! And
> dearest FORBID our studious ethnographer took pictures!
>
> Always quite nice to hear from you, the Non.
>
> Victor
>
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