"Shez" <shez@oldcity.f2s.com> wrote in message
news:z5pgz1H$eVu$EwgR@oldcity.f2s.com...
> In article <Ab2dndLCNuocvCSiRVn-ig@eatel.net>, Hecate100
> <mothernightshade@at.?.com> writes
> >
> >"Shez" <shez@oldcity.f2s.com> wrote in message
> >news:gdUkq6CJeQu$Ewx4@oldcity.f2s.com...
> >> In article <bp7sim$76r$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>, Uncle Davey
> >> <noway@jose.com> writes
> >> >
> >> >news:MBDtb.8832$Kb3.374446@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> "la n." <nilita2004@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> >> >> news:tRAtb.71335$Ws6.47978@edtnps84...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Piorokrat" <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:bp6fsc$7i$1@news.onet.pl...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > As far as being manipulative is concerned, you occult workers
> >> >> wrote the
> >> >> > book
> >> >> > > on that particular skills set.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > That's how it seems to me, anyway.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh, that's a good point, Uncle.
> >> >> > Invoking spells to make someone love you and the ilk.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I remember my brief foray in that world lo many years
> >> >> > ago, I picked up a little technique on how to get unwelcome
> >> >> > guests to leave your home, if they've overstayed their
> >> >> > welcome.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If I remember, one placed a broom upside down leaning
> >> >> > against a door to the outside.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I think a lot of people get into wicca and "magick"
> >> >> > feeling it will give them some sort of power over
> >> >> > (and to manipulate) others to their own desires.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > la n.
> >> >>
> >> >> You amuse me. So your spell worked did it? Why? So you believe
> >> >> that it does work. Interesting.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't follow wicca, but I am sure that the wiccans are very
> >> >> glad to get rid of your sorry ass.
> >> >> Pip
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >When this is how you speak to people who are sympathetic to your world
> >view,
> >> >I really start to believe that you are not out to make converts.
> >> >
> >> >Uncle Davey
> >> >
> >>
> >> Whoopee. Your getting it last, we don't want converts, those who come
to
> >> the pagan paths do so because they have been called, Not by a god, but
> >> by a need to find a personal spiritual path that they can follow,
> >> >
> >> Any religion which goes out to actively convert others ends up with a
> >> lot of people who are only in it for the social activities, the money
or
> >> because they like the idea of someone taking all responsibility for
> >> their lives, it saves them having to.
> >> Pagans are just the opposite, they take responsibility for themselves,
> >> and for what they do, they don't pretend its someone else's fault, or
> >> ask some god to forgive them,
> >> That takes a great deal of maturity, and the ability to not only take
> >> responsibility for what you do, but to put right what you have done
> >> wrong if you can, and if you cant to learn a lesson from it so you
don't
> >> make the same mistake again.
> >> How many Christians can claim that. They simply say God will forgive me
> >> no matter how terrible the sins I have committed.
> >>
> >> How many murderers and child abusers, rapists, and criminals become
> >> Christians in prison, and then want to be released because god has
> >> forgiven them their sins so they are now good members of society, and
> >> how many Christians think that these criminals should be freed simply
> >> because they claim to have caught Christ, like it was a common cold.
> >>
> >> I don't see those Christians standing up and saying, that were glad you
> >> have found your place with Christ, but the sins you committed can not
be
> >> forgiven by the society you live in , You have to pay the piper, or as
> >> your faith says, Give unto Caesar what is Ceasurs... and pay for the
> >> crimes that have been committed.
> >> If Christians spent less time trying to convert others, and more
> >> actually working within society to make it a more fair and honest place
> >> for all of us, then perhaps more pagans would be less disgusted with
> >> your Christians.
> >
> >I for one have told some folks "looking into" paganism and Witchcraft
that
> >they'd be better off with Christianity. One in particular was Christian
to
> >the core but wanted to be a Wiccan to fit in with her friends. Others
were
> >nervous about how God would look upon their pagan dabblings. Even then,
I'm
> >sure to insist it's only my opinion, and that it is the responsibility of
> >the individual to discern the nature of the Divine (or lack thereof) as
it
> >relates to him/her.
> >
> >There are folks who just aren't suited for the paths of magick. Once you
> >start the Work, you can't just abandon it. Even if you run back to
> >Christianity, it will follow you. I give this warning to everyone who
comes
> >to me expecting to be "de-evangelized": If you can't run with the
> >dire-wolves, then stay in the fold with the sheep.
> >
> >Love & Laughter,
> >Nightshade
> >
> >
> I do the same thing, some people are just not cut out for a personal
> spiritual path, or for magick, Some as you say want to do it because its
> the latest fad, and some because they think it will give them power, and
> magical power at that,
> Poor things they have no idea how much work is involved. They see the
> charmed ones on TV and think its all instant and they can throw
> firebombs in a week.
> Christianity is not a bad path if you stay away from the
> fundamentalists and follow the idea of Jesus and not the old testament
> hell and damnation, eye for an eye stuff.
> Fundamentalist of any stripe, who decide to become pagans, become
> fundamentalist pagans, something we can definitely do without.
>
> Pagans need to have a very independent mind set, and real cat like
> curiosity plus a sick sense of humour :)
Agreed on all points!
Love & Laughter,
Nightshade
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