>
> "Shez" <shez@oldcity.f2s.com> wrote in message
> news:gdUkq6CJeQu$Ewx4@oldcity.f2s.com...
> > In article <bp7sim$76r$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>, Uncle Davey
> > <noway@jose.com> writes
> > >
> > >news:MBDtb.8832$Kb3.374446@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> > >>
> > >> "la n." <nilita2004@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
> > >> news:tRAtb.71335$Ws6.47978@edtnps84...
> > >> >
> > >> > "Piorokrat" <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote in message
> > >> > news:bp6fsc$7i$1@news.onet.pl...
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > As far as being manipulative is concerned, you occult workers
> > >> wrote the
> > >> > book
> > >> > > on that particular skills set.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > That's how it seems to me, anyway.
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Oh, that's a good point, Uncle.
> > >> > Invoking spells to make someone love you and the ilk.
> > >> >
> > >> > I remember my brief foray in that world lo many years
> > >> > ago, I picked up a little technique on how to get unwelcome
> > >> > guests to leave your home, if they've overstayed their
> > >> > welcome.
> > >> >
> > >> > If I remember, one placed a broom upside down leaning
> > >> > against a door to the outside.
> > >> >
> > >> > I think a lot of people get into wicca and "magick"
> > >> > feeling it will give them some sort of power over
> > >> > (and to manipulate) others to their own desires.
> > >> >
> > >> > la n.
> > >>
> > >> You amuse me. So your spell worked did it? Why? So you believe
> > >> that it does work. Interesting.
> > >>
> > >> I don't follow wicca, but I am sure that the wiccans are very
> > >> glad to get rid of your sorry ass.
> > >> Pip
> > >>
> > >
> > >When this is how you speak to people who are sympathetic to your world
> view,
> > >I really start to believe that you are not out to make converts.
> > >
> > >Uncle Davey
> > >
> >
> > Whoopee. Your getting it last, we don't want converts, those who come to
> > the pagan paths do so because they have been called, Not by a god, but
> > by a need to find a personal spiritual path that they can follow,
> > >
> > Any religion which goes out to actively convert others ends up with a
> > lot of people who are only in it for the social activities, the money or
> > because they like the idea of someone taking all responsibility for
> > their lives, it saves them having to.
> > Pagans are just the opposite, they take responsibility for themselves,
> > and for what they do, they don't pretend its someone else's fault, or
> > ask some god to forgive them,
> > That takes a great deal of maturity, and the ability to not only take
> > responsibility for what you do, but to put right what you have done
> > wrong if you can, and if you cant to learn a lesson from it so you don't
> > make the same mistake again.
> > How many Christians can claim that. They simply say God will forgive me
> > no matter how terrible the sins I have committed.
> >
> > How many murderers and child abusers, rapists, and criminals become
> > Christians in prison, and then want to be released because god has
> > forgiven them their sins so they are now good members of society, and
> > how many Christians think that these criminals should be freed simply
> > because they claim to have caught Christ, like it was a common cold.
> >
> > I don't see those Christians standing up and saying, that were glad you
> > have found your place with Christ, but the sins you committed can not be
> > forgiven by the society you live in , You have to pay the piper, or as
> > your faith says, Give unto Caesar what is Ceasurs... and pay for the
> > crimes that have been committed.
> > If Christians spent less time trying to convert others, and more
> > actually working within society to make it a more fair and honest place
> > for all of us, then perhaps more pagans would be less disgusted with
> > your Christians.
>
> I for one have told some folks "looking into" paganism and Witchcraft that
> they'd be better off with Christianity. One in particular was Christian
to
> the core but wanted to be a Wiccan to fit in with her friends. Others
were
> nervous about how God would look upon their pagan dabblings. Even then,
I'm
> sure to insist it's only my opinion, and that it is the responsibility of
> the individual to discern the nature of the Divine (or lack thereof) as it
> relates to him/her.
>
> There are folks who just aren't suited for the paths of magick. Once you
> start the Work, you can't just abandon it. Even if you run back to
> Christianity, it will follow you. I give this warning to everyone who
comes
> to me expecting to be "de-evangelized": If you can't run with the
> dire-wolves, then stay in the fold with the sheep.
>
> Love & Laughter,
> Nightshade
>
>
Now we've heard it out of the horse's mouth, so to speak.
(I'm not calling you a horse, I hasten to add)
Thanks for the words of warning. They may help some of us not to waver.
Uncle Davey
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