Path: news.nzbot.com!not-for-mail
From: Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923)
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: alt.fan.uncle-davey
Subject: Re: A riddle that was set me...
References: <dirgbm$qgf$0@pita.alt.net> <0tc4f.249987$084.245527@attbi_s22> <mvq2l153hhuegflas0f6vqs8f0kaor3trb@4ax.com> <8ph4f.441707$_o.160834@attbi_s71> <5jh3l1tfqin44ajg7jieudp341c1i68ned@4ax.com> <Php4f.490376$xm3.67136@attbi_s21> <3hq5l1hjkfu4ftnla2cq9i0rd19id0c178@4ax.com> <iKQ4f.254140$084.95063@attbi_s22> <kmb8l1h2vis65fb2m996p0khuhlt8lpjee@4ax.com> <Ns75f.494452$xm3.230955@attbi_s21> <512al15c8tukruusjs301lu22vfcmgnf6g@4ax.com> <kAe5f.446438$_o.61616@attbi_s71> <92ual1hq8l3bdkq28fu965h9jajnj604sg@4ax.com>
In-Reply-To: <92ual1hq8l3bdkq28fu965h9jajnj604sg@4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Lines: 63
Message-ID: <CRf5f.446545$_o.46972@attbi_s71>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.207.33.34
X-Complaints-To: abuse@mchsi.com
X-Trace: attbi_s71 1129679330 12.207.33.34 (Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:48:50 GMT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:48:50 GMT
Organization: AT&T ASP.att.net
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:48:50 GMT
Xref: news.nzbot.com alt.fan.uncle-davey:4146
Last of All wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:22:09 GMT, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Last of All wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:16:13 GMT, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Grinder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Which of these premises are wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(1) Man may freely choose A or B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(2) God knows, in advance, what man will choose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(3) God cannot be wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Bible Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>None. All three statements are true.
>>>>
>>>>If God were to know, in advance, that man will choose "A", how is the
>>>>man truly free to choose A or B when he finally reaches that decision?
>>>
>>>
>>>If I were playing a friendly game of cards with friends and the corner
>>>of one of the cards was bent. The fact that I knew what that card was
>>>when it was next in the stack didn't mean the shuffle wasn't fair.
>>
>>Is that intended to be an analogy?
>
>
> Certainly, just because an outcome is known doesn't necessarily mean
> the knowing influenced the outcome.
It's a bad analogy then, as there is no counterpart to decision or free
will in the card example. Nonetheless, you've hit near the disagreement
Bible Bob and I are having.
He would maintain, I think, that knowing, in advance, what choice will
be made for a given decision does not influence the choices that could
be made when that decision arrives.
That just doesn't make sense to me.
> On the other hand, the whole conversation strikes me as another
> "angels on the head of a pen" diversions. But then, so does a lot of
> the conversation on USENET lately, I don't know, maybe I'm geting
> burned out again.
I think I can agree with you there. Even Uncle Davey has the good sense
to realize that believing in God doesn't have to make sense, as it's a
matter of faith.
|
| Follow-ups: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 |
| 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 | 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 |
|