On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:57:50 GMT, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
wrote:
>Bible Bob wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:44:15 GMT, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bible Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:45:56 GMT, Grinder <grinder@no.spam.maam.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Allow me to break this conundrum down to its simplest form:
>>>>>
>>>>>Premises:
>>>>>
>>>>>1) Man has free will.
>>>>>
>>>>>2) God is omniscient.
>>>>>
>>>>>For a given decision, with two choices, A and B:
>>>>>
>>>>>3) God, being omniscient, knows the man will choose B.
>>>>>
>>>>>4) Man, has two choices:
>>>>>
>>>>> a) He freely chooses A, and shows God to be wrong,
>>>>> or *not* omniscient.
>>>>>
>>>>> b) He freely chooses B, as God knew he would all
>>>>> along.
>>>>>
>>>>>So here we are. There is *only one choice*, 4b, that
>>>>>can be made without violating Premise #2. If, however,
>>>>>man is not free to make either choice, that violoates
>>>>>Premise #1.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where is the flaw in this logic, or what is the means
>>>>>by which you can circumvent it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Your premise fails to consider that man has free will but is not
>>>>omniscient.
>>>
>>>There is no premise that man is omniscient. What makes you think them
>>>I'm requiring that?
>>>
>>>
>>>>God is omniscient but can not act.
>>>
>>>Nor is there any premise that God must act -- only that He *knows*, in
>>>advance, how we will act.
>>
>>
>> Grinder,
>>
>> Exactly. God knows the possible choices and which choice will be made
>> but does not control the outcome. Man has choices; but not the way
>> you describe them. Man freely chooses A or B. God is right whether
>> man choses A or B because God knows whether man will chose A or B.
>> Man can not prove God wrong by his choices. God would have to predict
>> that that a specific man would do A and that specific man would have
>> to not do A for God to be wrong.
>
>Which of these premises are wrong?
>
>(1) Man may freely choose A or B.
>
>(2) God knows, in advance, what man will choose.
>
>(3) God cannot be wrong.
Grinder,
None. All three statements are true.
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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