In article <dirgbm$qgf$0@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
> And my reply was the following:
>
> First you would need to define "free".
>
> There is evidently no freedom to do whatever we like. Otherwise the likes of
> you and me would do nothing but walk around shopping centres all day long
> kissing pretty ladies on the lips with impunity.
Only I wish. But look at my website and see that I am with many.
>
> There is freedom to make choices between possible alternatives.
>
> When Adam sinned, I understand that he had a genuine choice between
> sinfulness and sinlessness. However , since that time, man has not had
> 'becoming sinless in one's own strength' in the feasible region. Adam
> basically did it for us with his sin in the way our parents did it for us
> with all our genetic illnesses and predispositions. We do not blame our
> direct parents, as they are the victims of their parents, but it goes all
> the way back to the beginning of the genetic audit trail.
>
Yes very true
> And that is Adam and Eve to a fundamental Christian. To an evolutionist that
> trail leads them back to an impossible event where a bunch of amino acids
> and a self replicating strand of DNA complex enough to recreate the simplest
> cell somehow come together within a semipermeable membrane. The chances
> against this ever happening being so vanishly small I don't know how many
> universes would need to exist for how many brazillions of years for it ever
> to happen at all. But of course the godless gloss over that aspect of
> evolution, so desparate are they to get away from the idea of a creator who
> may have had some purpose for them and who may call them to account.
>
I cnat comment on evolutution since I have not studied it much
> However, fortunately, although Adam screwed everything up for us, a Second
> Adam came to rescue us, and this was God in the flesh. Jesus Christ. He had
> the choice to lead the sinless life or the sinful life, as the first Adam
> had, and this time he made the right choice, and then in sacrificial style
> was put to death on behalf of the people of God, which we become by simply
> believing in His death as the only answer to our problem of sin.
>
I believe the bible makes it clear that it was impossible for him to sin
since he had 2 natures in one person.
> And here we do have a choice. I am convinced that we are not free to be free
> of sin - as nobody but Christ has ever done it, and He was and is God
> Almighty. But I do believe that we have a freedom to believe. Science has
> not disproven the existence of God nor the efficicacy of the glorious Gospel
> of salvation by faith in Jesus. Some so-called scientists merely rant on as
> if they had, but when called on it all they have is rhetoric. We can validly
> choose to believe the message of the Bible. We can validly choose to
> disregard our doubts and trust Jesus to forgive us when we repent. And that
> regardless of the fact that through life we will disappoint God again and
> again. But one day, at our resurrection, which Jesus started for us and was
> the first fruits of, we will be placed into a sinless state where we can
> actually be pleasing to God, true children of God, and enjoy his presence
> and love in all eternity.
>
> Jesus himself, the Alpha and Omega, is The Answer to this and every other
> major riddle the world contains.
>
> That's how I would answer your riddle
>
Of coarse
> Best,
>
> Uncle Davey
> www.usenetposts.com
>
> Anyone wishing to comment either here or there is more than welcome.
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