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From: "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
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Subject: Re: Sabbath
Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 14:36:03 +0200
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> Uncle Davey wrote:
> >> Uncle Davey wrote:
> >>> news:d64tb5$7uub$1@news3.infoave.net...
> >>>> Are there any Sabbath keeping Christian on this site. Such as
> >>>> Seventh Day Baptist, Church of God 7th Day, Seventh Day Adventist
> >>>> or off shoots of WW Church of God.
> >>>>
> >>>> To everyone that keep it have a good Sabbath. To the rest have a
> >>>> good day.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> You don't have to keep the seventh day to keep the sabbath. You can
> >>> keep any day with a seven day interval, and still obey that
> >>> commandment.
> >>>
> >> Exactly, just as you can make any rule in the book mean what you
> >> want it too.
> >>
> >
> > No, I am saying that 'sabbath' means simply 'rest', not 'seventh' or
> > 'saturday' and we are in no way obligated to keep counting seven days
> > from the creation of the world and always keep the seven days from
> > exactly the day on which god rested. To think otherwise is
> > counter-evangelical superstition.
> >
> > You can choose any regular day in the week for it, but you are
> > promised a blessing if you rest from your work on that day, and
> > sanctify it to God.
> >
> Then why bother with 7? why not 2 or once every 7000 years since a day is
as
> 1000 years.
> The whole silly idea comes from On the seventh day he rested and that was
> the last day, not an arbitrary day. The last day of the week has been
> Saturday since before the book was written.
>
> But as usual the kilt swirls and *your* idea of what is true is the only
> right one.
> 20,000 cults can't be wrong.
>
The idea of the verse meaning every seventh day is from the words in Exodus
20, 9-10"six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work, but the seventh in
a sabbath to the lord thy God".
The seventh in a row, that's what it means. A regular break every seven
days.
There's no point in being dogmatic about whether the day is on a saturday or
a sunday, since it could be that a person finds it convenient to keep it on
a totally different day. My old minister obviously was not at rest on
Sunday, and his sabbath was on a Monday. That was the day he could rest.
Some people, like the seventh-day adventists, get all legalistic about
keeping Saturday, but the idea that we have counted the days exactly so that
we know the anniversary of the rest day God had at the end of the Creation
week has no support from scripture. Just as nobody knows the exact date on
which the world was made, they don't know which day of the modern week is
the first and the last either. Even assuming the world knew that in Noah's
day, and the knowledge kept by his family through the Flood, I seriously
doubt the count was kept in the post Babel chaos, which is the time where
even different Biblical chronologies differ most radically, as if to tell us
that we simply don't have full information about what happened at that
time - it was a great upheaval - people wouldn't have even remembered the
Adamic language names for the days of the week, because it would have been
changed in their language. Had they even written it down they would have
failed to understand it after the confusion of tongues. And why would they
even try to remember it, when the obligation to keep the sabbath only came
on Mount Sinai hundreds of years later?
I don't see how you can believe that we know which of the days of the modern
week is the exact anniversary or hebdominniversary, if you like, of the
original Rest day, without disbelieving certain other things that the Bible
tells us about the character of the early times. That goes also for Jews
alive at the time of Christ - they had a tradition that they were keeping
the anniversary of the rest day, but in no place does any text of scripture
xplicitly show that they got that right. Christ did not take the sabbath in
a legalistic way - after all, as Creator in the first place it was really up
to Him if he chose to work or rest on that day. He of course would have
known very well what the true multiple of 7 from the rest day was, but He
was silent on the matter, at least as far as what we read in Scripture is
concerned.
Much more we can assume that we know the hebdominniversary of the day of the
Resurrection, and its relation to the Jewish sabbath, which we know has
remained with a strict seven day interval for a very long time, possibly
since the time of Moses when it was given on the Mount.
Either Saturday or Sunday make for very practical sabbaths in our modern
world, as they tend to be both free from office work. If a person has an
unusual job which involves working on Sunday, he is not sinning by keeping
sabbath another day. Shops are not sinning by keeping open on a Sunday, as
long as they ensure that the staff have adequate rest at other times, and
that doesn't mean just one day off from work - there needs to be two days
off, one so that people can settle their private affairs (because it says
"do all thy work" - which involves things you have to do for the family as
well as the employer or the Firm) and the other so that they can keep an
adequate sabbath rest and remember their creator. Those two days don't even
need to be next to each other, if that's not convenient.
Since most denominations hold their services on the hebdominniversary of
Christ's Resurrection, and remember at once the Old and the New Creation
that way, it is an ideal day to keep sabbath for most Christians,
practically speaking. nevertheless the Seventh Day Adventists are not
sinning by following saturday. On the other hand, they also ought not to say
that we are sinning for having Sunday, and if someone for their own needs
has Wednesday or Thursday, then no one should say they are sinning for that
either.
Best,
Uncle Davey
www.usenetposts.com
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