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Subject: Re: Prayer for Mark K. Bilbo
Date: 3 Jan 2005 22:50:56 -0800
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Jason Gastrich wrote:
> Tom McDonald wrote:
> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
> >> In our last episode <ukgCd.40092$nP1.19979@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> >> Jason Gastrich lept out of the bushes shouting:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Bless Mark Bilbo.
> >>
> >>
> >> You rang?
> >>
> >>
> >>> Let him get saved by your awesome grace.
> >>
> >>
> >> Been there, done that, didn't get a t-shirt though. Hell, you were
> >> still a sperm when I was "saved."
> >>
> >> Anyway... this is downright creepy of you Gastrich...
> >>
> >
> > It's just Gastrich's little way. Your average, normal
> > Christian might pray this for you; but would do so the way Jesus
> > told us to. It'd be done in solitary prayer to God. If one
> > really believes that God listens to prayer, and can move someone
> > to come to Him, then a public prayer is unnecessary, and perhaps
> > counter-productive. If, on the other hand, you think God needs
> > you to get this saving stuff done, then one might do what
> > Gastrich did.
>
> This is untrue and quite ridiculous.
Actually, Gasbag, it looks pretty much like spot on.
> There are countless examples of public prayers in the Bible; even by
Jesus
> Christ.
>
> Praying in your closet is one, valid way, but praying in public is
another,
> valid way.
Just one more reason that there are contradictions in the Bible.
Sienkiewicz already showed the verses that quote Jesus, himself,
telling his followers to pray in private. Now if *I* were a christian,
I'd have to decide who to listen to, Jesus or Gasbag. No contest,
right?
> You call yourself a Christian. Right, Tom? You should know that
public
> prayer is allowed by God. To assert otherwise speaks a lot to your
faith
> and knowledge of the scriptures.
I'd trust Tom before I'd trust you, Gasbag. You've already been caught
in a lie or three.
> > Of course, it is just as likely that Gastrich is using the
> > prayer as a weapon in some war he thinks he's fighting; and
> > certainly, he thinks it's going to get him gold stamps he can
> > paste in his "Jewels on my Crown in Heaven" book. With five
> > filled books, he gets a better harp. With 10, he gets to sit at
> > one of the middle tables in the Great Hall. With 10,000, he
> > gets to sit next to God.
>
> This paragraph is sickening.
>
> If you are a Christian, Tom, you should begin praying in public.
It's not a
> scary thing to do. Do you know what else you should do? You should
pray
> for these unbelievers that you brush up against every day in usenet
and you
> should openly pray for them and their salvation.
'Cept that Sienkiewicz guy, o'course.
> If you think otherwise, then tell me why.
>
> Meanwhile, while you're "throwing the book at me," and being an
overall
> jerk, consider this.
"Being an overall jerk!" What a great christian witness, Gasbag. Hey,
if Tom had kids, you could attack him through them, too, right?
Christianity is such a beautiful thing sometimes.
> The scriptures tell us to avoid being unequally yoked
> with unbelievers.
Funny thing, Jesus spent a great deal of time with guys and gals who
were "unbelievers," at least in the beginning. That's if you buy the
NT stuff as accurate.
I don't see Tom being "unequally yoked" at all, Gasbag. What I see him
doing is showing us that not all christians are ignorant,
self-important yerks such as, y'know, yerself.
> How is your numerous, deep relationships with unbelievers following
this
> command?
I seem to have missed these "numerous, deep relationships." Care to
point 'em out to me, Gasbag?
> If you're curious about this command, then see our Bible lesson on it
-
> http://biblelessons.jcsm.org. It's called "Bad Associations -
Unequally
> Yoked."
Oh, yes, go to GASBAG's web site to learn more.
We all know Gasbag, right? He's the guy with the phony degrees who
thinks he's the next Billy Graham. He's the end-all, be-all of the
christian religion.
> Finally, I don't think anyone can tell whose side you're on; God's or
the
> Devil's.
I can tell. He's on God's side. You're on the Devil's.
> Nonetheless, whether you behave like a Christian or continue to
> attack them
He didn't attack any christians, Gasbag, but he *did* kinda give *you*
a bit of a come-uppance, and if you didn't deserve it, I'm'a'thinkin'
he wouldn't'a done it.
> while courting the unbelievers to Hell, I will continue to pray
> anywhere I wish. And my prayers will bless others because I have a
heart
> for them and my prayers will reflect this.
*Your* prayers will "bless others?"
You have no heart for others, Gasbag. It's just a lotta talk when you
wanna be self-important. And by the way, how do you know that Tom
*doesn't* pray for the "lost?" How do you know that *his* prayers
aren't a blessing to others, even if they're unaware of them?
> Someone cross-posted my prayer into alt.atheism, but I did respect
that
> newsgroup's policies by not posting my prayer into their newsgroup.
I
> figured it would be considered proselytizing.
Yeah, well, like the man said, Mark doesn't read the groups you posted
your self-indulgent prayer in. At least it don't look like it.
> I'll continue to avoid doing
> so, but you can count on my continued, public and private prayers for
> everyone.
Even that Sienkiewicz guy?
Say, when are you gonna get around to actually answering for all that
stuff he's nailed you on? Y'know, the picture of the court document
that, by the way, is *not* altered.
He burned your ass on that one, dude. It was classic!
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