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> "Piorokrat" <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote in message
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> > Uzytkownik "Shez" <shez@oldcity.f2s.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> (picking a couple of bits here and there ..)
>
> > > I have been hearing that for the last sixty years, its the same
> > > complaint and it never changes, This generation is no better or worse
> > > than the one before it. You want unchanging order. That would be the
end
> > > of the world, life has to change, chaos is built in, without change
> > > their is no life.
> >
> > This generation no worse, eh?
> >
> > I don't remember one in ten kids in London shooting up or taking crack
in
> > the Blitz.
> >
> > Is that blindfold of yours, like, a fashion accessory?
>
> Consider that same generation of young people, but over in Germany. Was
the
> genocidal fanaticism of the Hitler Youth so much better than disaffected
> kids today taking advantage of a pre-existing drug culture?
They were sinners then, and they are sinners now, but we beat the nazis and
are losing the war on drugs.
> > > Was the Protestant church any better, what about Salem were innocent
> > > people were killed in the name of superstition.
>
> >
> > That wasn't the policy decision of a Church, that was the cowardice,
> > stupidity and panic of a local bunch of rednecks.
>
> IIRC, all legal and social policy in the Puritan settlements was
established
> *by christians* and strictly derived from christian religious values. The
> Salem trials weren't run by atheists.
>
It is true that in a Christian society we would probably criminalise
witchcraft, but that does not mean that we would go about it in an unfeeling
way.
>
> > > I don't believe in your Christ, for me everything is part of God, and
> > > Jesus was simply a man with a message, its a pity that you and people
> > > like you have taken that message and reduced it to hatred and evil.
>
> >
> > Why am I being accused by you of hatred and evil?
> >
> > Did I upset you in some way?
>
> I certainly can't speak for Shez, but I personally find your intolerance
of
> other christian paths, let alone non-christian ones, to demonstrate rather
> more than mild dislike ...
>
We like them, but not their views.
>
> > > No they understand and accept that we follow our own spiritual path,
> > > they don't need to preach, If you truly believe in something, then you
> > > don't have to preach about it, you live it every day of your life.
>
> >
> > If they believe you're going to hell, then either they don't care that
you
> > go there or they will want to stop you going there by giving you the
> gospel.
> > They may be giving it to you gently, or just cultivating the friendship
so
> > that you they are around when you need them. But you might ask them
> whether
> > they believe you are going to hell or not.
>
> That implies that all christians, whether outwardly evangelical or not,
have
> a hidden evangelical agenda .. which in turn implies that they see all
their
> non-christian friends as potential converts first, and friends second. I
> think that's a pretty offensive way of looking at it, actually, don't you?
>
I believe if you have a friend, believe they are going to hell, yet do
nothing about it, then your friendship's not worth a great deal.
> >
> > I believe, personally, that you are going to hell. I wish I didn't
believe
> > that such a horrible destiny is currently in store for you if you do not
> > turn to Christ, but I do, so there we are. In that case, if I don't give
> you
> > the gospel, that Christ died so that you can go to heaven if you only
call
> > on Him and trust in Him, am I being loving to you or not?
>
> But you've fulfilled whatever responsibilities you feel you have, by
saying
> what you've just said. That done, leave it to the free will of others to
> decide.
>
Free will is vastly overrated.
> > > Not here it doesn't, the only thing you will get is killfiled, most of
> > > us are sick to death of your message if we wanted to be Christians we
> > > could be Christians, most of us have a better grasp of Christianity
than
> > > you do, and a lot better grasp of history. We don't need your brand of
> > > lies and hate.
> >
> > I think if you didn't think deep down inside, that you do need it, you
> would
> > not need to use such emotive terms as 'your brand of lies and hate'.
> >
> > You would just say you don't fancy it, because you've already got a
> > religion.
>
> That would be a reasonable response, in a society where all religions were
> treated equally. Some of us are rather tired of having christianity pushed
> in our faces at every turn.
>
You know how we feel, then, having paganism pushed in ours.
>
> > > Christ was about love, peace, understanding, and live and let live.
> > > And your telling me about a battle hymn and how proud you are of it,
> > > Wake up, and smell the roses, Where is the love, the peace, and live
and
> > > let live.
>
> >
> > Christ is all about battle.
> > Christ is not about living and letting live.
>
> So, those christians who cite "love thy neighbour" and so on, are liars? I
> do wish you guys would make your minds up ...
>
Sure we love. But sometimes the 'live and let live' has nothing to do with
love, only laziness.
>
> > > Deleted... Christian hymn... as not worth the paper its written on,
> > > though the music is divine the song is not
> >
> > Pure emotion showing.
> > Love is close to hate, so you are not far from loving God.
>
> Heh. Who are you to judge how close someone else is to their Deity?
>
I'm not. I'm saying all this hate for God is very telling.
>
> > > Why not put the eight year old in the chair with him, she would have
> > > died anyway... forcing a child of eight go through with a pregnancy
> > > shouldn't even take a moment to think about, especially when you know
> > > the child and the baby will die.
> >
> > You seem very dogmatic about that.
> >
> > There are a number of things to think about.
> >
> > Nevertheless, if an animal ovulates, it is capable in all cases of
bearing
> > without death.
> > If you believe that humans descended by evolution from animals, it is
odd
> > that you believe a pregnant young female will die. That doesn't happen
in
> > all the other species. Just a thought.
>
> I am sure you didn't *really* mean to say that no young pregnant mammal
has
> ever died through hormonal development exceeding other forms of physical
> growth, did you? You don't strike me as terminally stupid (although I
> wouldn't let you loose looking after cats).
>
Would you stand around making sure cats didn't get pregnant until they were
good and ready?
Please. Animals start to ovulate when they are ready to give birth and not
before.
It's good to note a lot of non-belief in evolution in this here arw group.
> > > I know a lot of people who have taken themselves out of a lying, power
> > > mad church and found their own spiritual path, that some of them
follow
> > > a Christian path is co-incidental. They certainly don't belong to any
> > > church you belong to.
> >
> > How do you know what I belong to?
>
> Are you going to tell us, or is it a trade secret?
>
No secret. I belong I N C H R I S T.
By faith in his blood spilt on calvary, and not by my own deserving, which
is non-existant, me being by nature a worse rotter than the rest of the
rotters on here put together.
Best,
Uncle Davey
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