"Frank Pericope" <frank.pericope@oneimage.com> wrote in message
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> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
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> > Uzytkownik "Frank Pericope" <frank.pericope@oneimage.com> napisal w
> > wiadomosci news:dc55e47f.0404040515.46fbda6d@posting.google.com...
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> <snip>
>
> > >
> > > We're all capable of righteousness, as well as unrighteousness.
> > >
> > > - F.
> >
> > When it says 'there is none righteous, no not one', that means that by
> > nature we actually aren't capable of righteousness.
>
> Davey, that's a song lyric. I understand it has that meaning for you,
> but unless you have some authority/source no one else has (Gastrich,
> perhaps?) neither Romans nor Psalms means what you want it to mean.
>
> Though it explains a lot if you think you are incapable of good
> behavior without God's direct intervention.
>
Not think.
Know.
If you think you can do good without God's help, then you have not yet
understood something.
> >
> > If God enables us to act righteously in any case, then that's to be
thankful
> > for.
> >
> > In any event, in practice Christians often are a lot worse than atheists
and
> > people who believe in religions without the Saviour, after all,
Christians
> > are under attack in a way they are not.
>
> Oh phooey. I am not under attack.
I'm sure you're not.
After all, you go around telling your brothers not to evangelise. What
devils would attck you for that?
You've already signed up to the Faustian pact, I'm sure you have peace like
a river.
> None of the Christians I know are
> under attack. And most Christians who think themselves under attack
> would, I think, find their way much easier if they would but stop
> mind-tackling unbelievers and simply do their best to live the values
> espoused by Christ.
>
You are absolutely right!
The quickest way to stop being under attack is to stop evangelising.
No news to me.
You don't mention how we can live the values espoused by Christ without
preaching the gospel and getting into conflict situations, when this is
precisely what He told us to do, though, do you?
> For example -- think evolution's wrong? Fine. Live without it. But
> building sandcastles in the mind and trying to sell them as real
> estate in public is going to lead to some derision. As you have seen.
>
Evolution is a big fairy tale, but in point of fact the gospel is big enough
to cope with people believing it, if only they believe that Christ has died
in their place because they needed it. If you say you can do good on your
own, then did you need Christ to die in your place? Isn't his death on
Calvary rather wasted on you?
> Ideally, knowing the love and the
> > forgiveness of God, we should be walking head and shoulders about other
men
> > and women in goodness, but in actual fact this seems very hard to
achieve
> > and is very rare.
>
> I agree it is difficult. But too many of us use that as an excuse for
> our own behavior. And if one's public behavior brings significant
> levels of condemnation from both believers and unbelievers, perhaps
> one should consider 'cutting off' that hand and withdrawing from
> public forums until one can behave in a righteous way--at least more
> often than not.
>
> But that's just my opinion.
>
Well I take the view that if I preach the Gospel, people will seek to
compromise me. They will take terrific exception to things about me, no
doubt imperfections, but which would be fine if I were on the side of either
works religion or rejection of religion.
Should such imperfections, even when people take the max mileage out of them
because of the mastery in spin that they have developed over the years of
Usenet and RL activity, stop me from stating what I believe to be true?
Well, according to what I believe to be true, no. I am telling you that I am
a sinner, so don't look at me, look at Christ for salvation. That's the
whole point.
> >
> > I know I can't seem to achieve it, myself. I couldn't even listen
through
> > the second sermon this morning without dreaming up a new pancake recipe.
>
> Godly behavior does not, it seems to me, come from listening to
> sermons. IMHO, organized religion does as much spiritual damage as it
> does good. You might find yourself more interested if your authority
> is Christ rather than that guy standing up in front of the crowd.
Preaching sermons is a God ordained way to spread truth and help the flock
to grow. The sermon was extremely good and pointed to the authoty of Christ,
not his own authority, but if we do not put time aside to go and think about
these things, it is easy to forget them.
>
> You are perfectly capable of leading a goodly life, Uncle Davey. Quit
> making excuses for failing to do so. "The devil made me do it" is a
> punch line, not an alibi.
>
You obviously don't really have much in depth knowledge of the devil, but
one thing is true, I can manage to be iniquitous pefectly well even without
his help.
> <snip story>
>
> >
> > Which just goes to show we get better than we deserve.
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
> Which may also show you that you'd do better publishing pancake
> recipies than spiritual ones.
>
The one does not exclude the other.
Fresh garden peas, fried onions, philadelphia cream cheese and mayonnaise on
a blini mix is good, but eye hath not seen, nor ear heard neither has
enetered into the heart of man, the things that God hath prepared for them
that love him.
Uncle Davey
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