In article <bo1cck$9lf$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>, Uncle Davey
<noway@jose.com> writes
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>news:bo18n3$16fo1v$1@ID-140581.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> trolled:
>> > "t_naismith" wrote:
>> >
>> > > <cross-post from "free.christians" NG - a misnomer or plea for
>> > assistance?>
>> >
>> > > Here's a better deal, Jaz; if you can admit to the rampant cultural
>> > > thieveries of xtianity from prior cultures which took place over
>> > > thousands of years, (cf. history), and do everything you can to
>> > > try to redress that issue, I personally will take your request under
>> > > advisement. Until then, kill-file me or bugger off.
>> >
>> > Could you be a little more specific about what you believe we have taken
>> > from other cultures?
>> >
>> What, you don't know your own religion's history? The laundry list of
>> examples would be considerably shorter were it to include that which
>> was _not_ borrowed/swiped/nicked/plagiarized/co-opted from cultures
>> which predated it. So, that's your mission, missionary; find some tenet
>> that was not stolen by xtianity ... there has to be at least one, nyet?
>>
>> T.N.
>>
>
>I can tell you this, that it was the Christian church that gave literacy to
>many many languages, and then the secular used what we gave for their own
>purposes.
The Christian church fought literacy, and kept it within the church, it
didn't want people reading the bible and questioning what the priests
decreed.
>
>It was the Christian church that built many fine buildings used today for
>exclusively pagan purposes.
Pagans built many fine buildings, some of which are still in use today,
I watched Opera the other night staged at the Coliseum in Rome.
>
>It was Christian thought that developed the legal systems that underly
>modern democracies and free market countries.
Rubbish it was the Greeks and Romans who gave us the legal system, and
the Greeks who gave us democracy.
>
>It was the Reformation that gave rise to the Industrial Revolution
The Industrial revolution would probably have happened hundreds of years
earlier if the church had not tried to stop anything that might remotely
threaten their power base,
>
>It was Christians who were the leading scientists through the main centuries
>of progress.
Don't you mean that they killed, or imprisoned the scientists, who spoke
against the churches world views, If the church had its way, we would
still be on a flat earth with the sun revolving around us , and us at
the very centre of the universe,
>
>It was for, admittedly mislead, Christian purposes that the basis of modern
>art, literature and music in all European and American culture was founded,
>and then hijacked by unbelievers.
Art literature and culture was strong and very well established long
before Christianity, in fact Christianity still tries to stop art and
literature from being published if it disapproves of it, how many films
have the church suggested that their parishioners not view, how many
books that they should not read, how many have stood outside libraries
demanding that their and only their ideas of what is literature be on
the book lists.
>
>In short, we don't need to have any complexes at all about the balance sheet
>of our culture.
What complexes, your ideas on history are based on fantasy, your idea of
the church is based on fabrication, the church gave us the dark ages,
the inquisition,
It tried to stop the use of printing presses because it would mean
common people would have access to the written word..
It made anyone who talked against it outlaws, and heretics, even some of
the leading minds in Europe.
It tried to stop evolution being taught in schools and to this day still
insists that creationism is a valid scientific viewpoint, even though
any one with an ounce of sense knows its fairy stories.
Some of the leaders of the church were poisoner's, murderers, and some
of the most evil people in History, remember the Borgia's.
Even today the church tries to stop ordinary people from accessing
education, family planning and even health care, because if it keeps
people poor uneducated and steeped in superstition it might be able to
keep its power base.
The church stopped being about Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago, its about
power, money, and blackmail.
The very few real Christians I have met, live in the way they think that
Jesus Christ would have lived, and give themselves and their time
without preaching, or expecting any return, they don't ask for money,
power or fame.
Those I respect, the rest of you can go back to your church and convince
yourself that you and only you made the world what it is today...
You might even be right, and what a sad thing that is to admit, the rule
of money, and power, riding roughshod over hunger, poverty and disease.
A church that is keeping people in poverty for its own ends, a church
that lies and says condoms let aids through, so that its power is not
broken. A church that says an eight year old girl who has been raped,
must have her baby, even though it would kill her and the child.
I don't see anything for the church to be proud of, its dragged its
heels at every opportunity, its put barriers in the way of people who
want to help the poor and the hungry. Its lied about condoms even when
the World health authority specifically state, that condoms used
properly will help stop the spread of aids.
Its killed those it cant stop or gag, its murdered in the name of Jesus
Christ, and I don't think that he would have approved of that, and its
forced conversions on native peoples against their will, taking their
children away from them and forcing them into church schools.
Next time you want to crow about the church think before you speak..your
own mouth condemns you.
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>Uncle Davey
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Shez shez@oldcity.f2s.com
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