Uzytkownik "John @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> napisal w wiadomosci
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> On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:23:54 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
> wrote:
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> >
> >news:h%Eob.85423$vj2.11579@fed1read06...
> >>
> >> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
> >> news:bnv271$hno$5@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
> >> >
> >> > Uzytkownik "Don" <calldonREMOVEIT@earthlink.net> napisal w wiadomosci
> >> > news:q9glpv0mv5no25teipc3hrj2ooqh9640j3@4ax.com...
> >> > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:02:00 +0200, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >Uzytkownik "Don" <calldonREMOVEIT@earthlink.net> napisal w
wiadomosci
> >> > > >news:r68hpvsmj16b2hjfu64l0uu7ilee61votp@4ax.com...
> >> > > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:13:24 +0200, "Uncle Davey"
<noway@jose.com>
> >> > > >> wrote:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> >It means spending a lot of time with it. There's nothing to
> >> > understand,
> >> > > >but
> >> > > >> >you need to spend a lot of time to develop the gift.
> >> > > >> >
> >> > > >> >You can't just ignore it. No pain, no gain.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> You MUST be either joking or completely IGNORANT of the
scriptures!
> >> > > >> "No pain, no gain???"
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Funny that new testament believers either had a gift or did not
> >have
> >> a
> >> > > >> gift. There was no spending "a lot of time to develop the
gift."
> >> > > >
> >> > > >They didn't have a lot of time.
> >> > >
> >> > > Irrelevant. There is no command, nor example of "developing" a
> >> > > spiritual gift. Either you have it or you do not.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nor is there any example of one receiving a "spiritual gift" before
> >> > > being spiritually reborn.
> >> > >
> >> > > >And that was the apostolic era. If you wanted to be healed then,
you
> >> > could
> >> > > >be healed miraculously, you got tongues without an effort, you
could
> >> > drink
> >> > > >poison, and a lot of other things.
> >> > >
> >> > > A GIFT is a gift, free, without compensation, without having to
> >> > > "sweat" for it. Any other definition of a "gift" is not a gift.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > I feel sorry for you because there is much you do not know, and so
you
> >> think
> >> > and speak as a child.
> >> >
> >> > To help you, let me suggest the scripture where it says that ALL that
we
> >> > have is a gift from God.
> >> >
> >> > Please rid yourself of the idea that we have things that are not
gifts
> >> from
> >> > God.
> >> >
> >> > Uncle Davey
> >>
> >> Sweet little Uncy Davy, you are addressing the most trained and life
long
> >> staff member in a multitude of churches and Christian ministry groups
on
> >> this News Group.
> >
> >Then I am very sorry, in that case.
> >
> >Truly sorry.
> >
> >Sorry for you,
> >
> >Sorry for your church colleagues,
> >
> >Sorry for your trainers
> >
> >and most of all
> >
> >Sorry for the souls under your """care""".
> >
> >>
> >> You repeatedly demonstrate your ignorance and then have the nerve to
> >address
> >> Don in that manner.
> >
> >In a perfectly justifiable way. He knows nothing.
> >
> >I am well within my rights to remind him that EVERY GOOD GIFT COMES FROM
> >GOD.
> >
> >I am well within my rights to remind you that according to Wesley the
> >streets of hell are cobbled with the skulls of faithless ministers.
> >
> >
> >> Who the "Hell" do you think you are and where in ""Hell" did you come
> >from.
> >>
> >
> >I know who I am, and I know who you are, and hell has more claim on the
> >second than the first, right now.
> >
> >Uncle Davey
> >
> However, if you are preaching that "tongues" and "sign gifts" are for
> today, you are NOT a student of the Bible; you are a student of "Word
> of Faith" cult theology.
>
I have made it very clear in all my postings in the 'tongues' thread that in
today's times Christians do not do things like drink poisons, heal on the
spot without medecine or receive foreign languages effortlessly.
I have made it clear that if a person wishes to be healed they should go to
the doctor, not that that will always work, if it does then the person can
be thankful to God for a gift of healing, for so many are failed by their
doctors.
If someone wishes to speak foreign languages, then let them take out their
grammar book, their cassettes and their vocab book. Let them have
conversational practise. If after all this they receive a foreign language,
they can thank God for a gift of tongues because so many try these things
and do not receive them.
I have said there is no gain in these gifts of today without additional
effort from us.
Nevertheless, all that we have is a gift from God, and if someone has a
talent they should be a) thankful and b) careful how they use it, for where
much is given, much will be required.
I believe there is absolutely nothing unbiblical about what I have said, and
yet I have been vilified by baptist ministers and told that I don't really
speak eight or so languages, when anyone who knows me, and there are no
shortage of them on usenet, can bear this out. I have been called a liar,
but I have only supported the truth, and now these people will have to
answer to their consciences for what they have said to me.
I am not a member of the charismatic movement, never have been and never
will be. I nevertheless speak many languages, and wish this to be seen as a
reflection of God's mercy and his kindness, because without Him I could do
nothing. I believe what I have is therefore a gift of tongues for the
twenty-first century.
Uncle Davey
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