"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message news:<c2c6he$f6s$0@pita.alt.net>...
> >
> > JERRY
> > Its a statement drawn up by the nations of the UN one what constituted
> > human rights, not what constitutes a legitimate marriage.
>DAVEY
> Earlier you were arguing that the Universal Declaration allows for
> homosexual marriage, and now, failing that, you try to say it's not
> relevant.
JERRY
I never said that it allows for homosexual marriage.
My first statement on the subject:
JERRY
It's not talking about that either. Here is the clause itself
Article 16
Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race,
nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a
family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during
marriage and at its dissolution.
Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of
the intending spouses.
The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
entitled to protection by society and the State.
JERRY
This does not mean that ONLY men and women may marry. The UN does not
presume to make such statements for the member countries. This is a
proclamation of what the UN considers basic rights. The discussion
point being placed is not about same sex marriage or defining marriage
as only between a man and a woman. The purpose of this statement is
to point out that both men and women (since in some countries, women
can't make a decision like this for themselves) have the right to
marry if they are of age.
JERRY
Here is my second statement to you on it:
>DAVEY
> You're twisting the text to suit yourself.
JERRY
No, actually that's the way I interpret it. After all, Denmark has
gay marriage and not only has it not "downgraded" the state of the
heterosexual family, but they didn't get drummed out of the UN either.
This document is a UN statement of basic rights. It is not designed
to be a legal document that says the UN won't recognize gay marriage.
The purpose of the document is to state the basic rights of all
people.
JERRY
Is this the place where I put that statement about reading
comprehension back into the discussion? ;-)
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