From: John <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: I'm not ashamed to say I'm sorry (was Re: Tongues)
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:23:54 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
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>news:h%Eob.85423$vj2.11579@fed1read06...
>>
>> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in message
>> news:bnv271$hno$5@atlantis.news.tpi.pl...
>> >
>> > Uzytkownik "Don" <calldonREMOVEIT@earthlink.net> napisal w wiadomosci
>> > news:q9glpv0mv5no25teipc3hrj2ooqh9640j3@4ax.com...
>> > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:02:00 +0200, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >Uzytkownik "Don" <calldonREMOVEIT@earthlink.net> napisal w wiadomosci
>> > > >news:r68hpvsmj16b2hjfu64l0uu7ilee61votp@4ax.com...
>> > > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:13:24 +0200, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >It means spending a lot of time with it. There's nothing to
>> > understand,
>> > > >but
>> > > >> >you need to spend a lot of time to develop the gift.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >You can't just ignore it. No pain, no gain.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> You MUST be either joking or completely IGNORANT of the scriptures!
>> > > >> "No pain, no gain???"
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Funny that new testament believers either had a gift or did not
>have
>> a
>> > > >> gift. There was no spending "a lot of time to develop the gift."
>> > > >
>> > > >They didn't have a lot of time.
>> > >
>> > > Irrelevant. There is no command, nor example of "developing" a
>> > > spiritual gift. Either you have it or you do not.
>> > >
>> > > Nor is there any example of one receiving a "spiritual gift" before
>> > > being spiritually reborn.
>> > >
>> > > >And that was the apostolic era. If you wanted to be healed then, you
>> > could
>> > > >be healed miraculously, you got tongues without an effort, you could
>> > drink
>> > > >poison, and a lot of other things.
>> > >
>> > > A GIFT is a gift, free, without compensation, without having to
>> > > "sweat" for it. Any other definition of a "gift" is not a gift.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I feel sorry for you because there is much you do not know, and so you
>> think
>> > and speak as a child.
>> >
>> > To help you, let me suggest the scripture where it says that ALL that we
>> > have is a gift from God.
>> >
>> > Please rid yourself of the idea that we have things that are not gifts
>> from
>> > God.
>> >
>> > Uncle Davey
>>
>> Sweet little Uncy Davy, you are addressing the most trained and life long
>> staff member in a multitude of churches and Christian ministry groups on
>> this News Group.
>
>Then I am very sorry, in that case.
>
>Truly sorry.
>
>Sorry for you,
>
>Sorry for your church colleagues,
>
>Sorry for your trainers
>
>and most of all
>
>Sorry for the souls under your """care""".
>
>>
>> You repeatedly demonstrate your ignorance and then have the nerve to
>address
>> Don in that manner.
>
>In a perfectly justifiable way. He knows nothing.
>
>I am well within my rights to remind him that EVERY GOOD GIFT COMES FROM
>GOD.
>
>I am well within my rights to remind you that according to Wesley the
>streets of hell are cobbled with the skulls of faithless ministers.
>
>
>> Who the "Hell" do you think you are and where in ""Hell" did you come
>from.
>>
>
>I know who I am, and I know who you are, and hell has more claim on the
>second than the first, right now.
>
>Uncle Davey
>
However, if you are preaching that "tongues" and "sign gifts" are for
today, you are NOT a student of the Bible; you are a student of "Word
of Faith" cult theology.
There are no "sign gifts" today. Paul made that VERY clear.
2CO 12:11 I have made a fool of myself, but you drove me to it. I
ought to have been commended by you, for I am not in the least
inferior to the "super-apostles," even though I am nothing.
---> 12 The things that mark an apostle--signs, wonders and
miracles--were done among you with great perseverance. <---
((( Paul says the sign gifts were given to the apostles, NOT to the
entire church membership. So when the apostles died off towards the
end of the 1st C AD, the sign gifts died off as well. 1 Cor 13
concurs. )))
13 How were you inferior to the other churches, except that I was
never a burden to you? Forgive me this wrong!
Don't read into the Bible what isn't there; read what IS there. If you
read /assume what is NOT there, you won't get/understand what IS
there.
John W
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