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From: HitherandYon@msn.com (The Nice Mean Man)
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Subject: Re: How do homosexuals feel about Christian attitude towards them?
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Jeff North <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:<u7gppvkgh7ubhgdsntqd0fo0cgq4743fkt@4ax.com>...
> On 26 Oct 2003 20:32:12 -0800, in alt.politics.homosexuality
> HitherandYon@msn.com (The Nice Mean Man) wrote:
>
> >| Jeff North <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:<pnrnpvslm9jch8ot6g55mlt6k4d3dfr5rg@4ax.com>...
> >| > On 26 Oct 2003 01:08:01 -0800, in alt.politics.homosexuality
> >| > HitherandYon@msn.com (The Nice Mean Man) wrote:
> >| >
> >| > >| Jeff North <jnorth@yourpantsbigpond.net.au> wrote in message news:<f0dmpvcc48hrn49s2kg6i6ujl6b6nj3r3f@4ax.com>...
> >| > >| > On 25 Oct 2003 00:36:22 -0700, in alt.politics.homosexuality
> >| > >| > HitherandYon@msn.com (The Nice Mean Man) wrote:
> >| > >| > >| Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.10.25.01.51.18.11623@postini.spamcon.org>...
> >| > >| > >| > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:13:50 +0200, "Ariaan Blok, ordinary guy"
> >| > >| > >| > <bloke444GEEN@HAMzonnet.nl> wrote in message
> >| > >| > >| > news:<vuhmb.12037$n03.1170992@zonnet-reader-1>:
> >| > >| > >| >
> >| > >| > >| > > Hi la n.,
> >| > >| > >| > >
> >| > >| > >| > > I consider myself a friend of Uncle Davey's as well (if he feels
> >| > >| > >| > > differently, then blast him!). Anyway, I agree with you that
> >| > >| > >| > > homosexuality is an inborn thing. But I don't agree with your assuming
> >| > >| > >| > > that God has created homosexuality. I believe that every baby is not a
> >| > >| > >| > > new creation, but simply a result or extention if you will of the
> >| > >| > >| > > current or basic creation, in this case the man Adam and the woman Eve.
> >| > >| > >| > > God made them perfect, programmed their genes perfect, but since their
> >| > >| > >| > > fall they and their genes became imperfect, which has resulted in our
> >| > >| > >| > > body's decay and also in the occasional occurrence of a different sexual
> >| > >| > >| > > orientation. Do you see this differently?
> >| > >| > >| >
> >| > >| > >| > This is a pretty screwed up view you have here. Have you read the website
> >| > >| > >| > I gave you yet?
> >| > >| > >| >
> >| > >| > >| > http://www.godmademegay.com
>
> >| > >| > >| > In short, loving and committed homosexual relationships are not condemned
> >| > >| > >| > in the Bible.
> >| > >| > >|
> >| > >| > >| That's ridiculous. Of course your perverted "loving and committed"
> >| > >| > >| unions weren't condemned in particular.... Homosexual behaviour was
> >| > >| > >| condemned in general! God didn't need to go thru each and every
> >| > >| > >| perverse degenerate deviant behaviour individually. He had a word for
> >| > >| > >| them all... Abomination.
> >| > >| > >|
> >| > >| > >| > They couldn't have been, because the concept was completely
> >| > >| > >| > foreign to the Bible's authors.
> >| > >| > >|
> >| > >| > >| It was completely foreign to them because they lived in a society
> >| > >| > >| that was far closer to God's laws than we are today. Homosexuality was
> >| > >| > >| seen for what it was and still is.... an abomination in the eyes of
> >| > >| > >| the Creator. The penalty the homosexual paid for engaging in his act
> >| > >| > >| of abomination was death by stoning.
> >| > >| >
> >| > >| > Did gawd make that law before or after he/she made the commandment,
> >| > >| > thou shalt not kill.
> >| > >| >
> >| > >| The original Hebrew translation is "You shall do no Murder". Capital
> >| > >| punishment is not murder.
> >| >
> >| > Ahhhh the old one type of killing is justified while the other isn't.
> >|
> >| Correct.
>
> So how many adulterers have you stoned to death lately?
None.
John 8:1-11
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he
came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he
sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought
unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the
midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery,
in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should
be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that
they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his
finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when
they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them,
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which
heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by
one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left
alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted
up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where
are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No
man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and
sin no more.
> >| > Where does the holy crusades fit into this type of taking another
> >| > persons' life?
> >|
> >| Study the Islamic conquests. You'll find the first part of your answer
> >| there. The second part you will find here.....
>
> My, my, what a peaceful and loving religion you follow - NOT.
Again, Captial punishment is not murder. Neither is self-defense.
> [snip]
>
> >| > >| Matthew 19:17
> >| > >| "Why ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "Only God is good.
> >| > >| But to answer your question, you can receive eternal life if you keep
> >| > >| the commandments." 18 "Which ones?" the man asked.And Jesus replied:
> >| > >| "'Do not MURDER. Do not commit adultery. Do not steal. Do not testify
> >| > >| falsely. 19 Honor your father and mother. Love your neighbor as
> >| > >| yourself.'
> >| >
> >| > You forgot to add... Love your neighbor as yourself ... provided he's
> >| > not a faggot! - right?
> >|
> >| Jude 1:23
> >| Rescue others by snatching them from the flames of judgment. There are
> >| still others to whom you need to show mercy, but be careful that you
> >| aren't contaminated by their sins.
>
> Didn't you know homosexuality is extremely contagious. Better stay
> well and truly clear of any faggots and lesbians.
>
All Christans in their unsaved life were in bondage to sin (see
scriptures below). And each had a personally favorite (see scriptures
below). The devil understands this very well, you can be sure. Now,
that being said, I'll tell you... Another man's hairy azzhole was
never my particular weakness. It is concievable however, that there
just may be an ex-faggot out there who, thru the power of the Holy
Sprit, has escaped the bondage of homosexuality (well, maybe one or
two). This individual may very well back-slide into the pit while
attempting to reach his ex-fellows. The devil wants this one to fall
so he can again be of use. He uses his ex-fellows to lay the trap. Not
that it's permanent. The fall, that is. Once you belong to Christ, it
is forever.
John 10: 25-30
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works
that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26 But ye
believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27 My
sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I
give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither
shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them
me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my
Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one.
Just one qusetion...How many have you drug back into the pit with you?
I mean you personally..?
> >| Romans 3:23
> >| For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Yes oh perfect and righteous one.
Romans 7:21-25
21 It seems to be a fact of life that when I want to do what is right,
I inevitably do what is wrong. 22 I love God's law with all my heart.
23 But there is another law at work within me that is at war with my
mind. This law wins the fight and makes me a slave to the sin that is
still within me. 24 Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me
from this life that is dominated by sin? 25 Thank God! The answer is
in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really
want to obey God's law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave
to sin.
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