Uncle Davey wrote:
>
>>
>>Uncle Davey wrote:
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>>>>>If you want to believe it was a thousand years ago, then what about the
>>>
>>>fact
>>>
>>>
>>>>>that we have detailed history going back longer than that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Omphalos.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You do know that that is, right Davey?
>>>
>>>
>>>Sure, but that is omphalos strong, and I am proposing omphalos lite.
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>>
>>
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>>Who cares what you are proposing, Davey. You're not god's spokesman.
>>
>>
>>
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>>>The difference being, that there are no false memories in Omphalos Lite.
>
> It
>
>>>is not a "total recall get your ass to mars" scenario like Omphalos
>
> Strong,
>
>>>or last Truesdayism.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Then your version of Omphalos is wrong. <shrug> Go ahead and
>>demonstrate otherwise.
>>
>>See, Davey, MY version of omphalos is more consistent than yours. Under
>>YOUR version, God creates a false history in his creation (for whatever
>>reason -- maybe he's just a prick or a trickster, but no matter), but
>>not a false history in his book. In MY version of omphalos, God is not
>>so inconsistent -- he is creating a false history in his creation AND
>>imn his book. None of the "history" in his creation really happened --
>>it's just put there to fool us. Consistently, none of the history in
>>his BOOK really happened either --- it's just put there to fool us. So
>>unlike YOUR "lite" version of Omphalos, in which God is honest some of
>>the time and dishonest some of the time, my version of "omphalos" is
>>internally consistent -- God is dishonest ALL of the time.
>>
Nothing to say about my "theory", Davey . . . ?
>>
>>Why? Who knows --- "many and mysterious are the ways of the Lord". I
>>do not presume to know the motives of God. I leave that to
>>self-righteous arrogant pricks who think they're holier than everyone
>>else. Ya know -- people like you, Davey.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>A hundred thousand years ago is ten times longer than we actually need.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Says you. <shrug>
>>>>
>>>It's my gut reaction.
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>>
>>
>>
>>My gut reaction is that your guts are full of shit. <shrug>
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>>
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>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I don't believe that things that speciate can cross these kinds,
>
> and
>
>>>>>>>>>that becomes then the definition of the Kind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It doesn't matter what you believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't know why you ask me then, if it doesn't matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I believe that speciations CAN cross these kinds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why is my belief wrong and your belief is right (other than your
>>>
>>>say-so).
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Show me a speciation crossing a kind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Humans speciating from apes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You gonna show me that? OK, I'll buy an airline ticket for that. What
>>>airport do I fly to for the demonstation? Which apes will you be using?
>>>Bonoboes?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Yes, if you like. Please go ahead and set the whole thing up. We'll
>>invite "Constance" to watch, since she seems to be your "pervert" avatar.
>>
>>
Any time you're ready, Davey. . . . .
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>, and your belief will be right, and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'll have to do a re-think.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Show me a barrier that stops a species from crossing to another "kind"
>>>>(first, though, you'd have to define a "kind", which you don't want to
>>>>do). Then I will be the one re-thinking.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not holding my breath waiting.
>>>
>>>
>>>The fact that the record is so patchy for transitionals that people had
>
> to
>
>>>think up punk eek, that's an illustration of that barrier.
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>If there is even ONE transitional, Davey, then you have some 'splainin'
>>to do.
>>
>>Oh, and I notice you didn't answer my question --- what is the barrier
>>that prevents species from crossing into another "kind".
>>
>>My breath is still not being held, Davey.
Still not holding my breath, Davey . . . . .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyone can say that they believe
>>>>>>>>that the universe began last Thursday, and that would be impossible
>
> to
>
>>>>>>>>falsify.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There we are then. You admit you can't disprove my faith.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And you can't disprove Sun Myung Moon's faith that he is the Son of
>
> God
>
>>>>>>and the Younger Brother of Jesus. <shrug>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So what.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So nothing. If he's right, then we're both done for. All I can do is
>>>
>>>believe
>>>
>>>
>>>>>he isn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And we should care about your belief because . . . . ?
>>>>
>>>>Why is your belief any better than his belief?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>If you like the sound of his better, go for it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Fine. <shrug>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>I can't prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No shit.
>>>>
>>>>So why waste time arguing about it? Why not spend time arguing more
>>>>substantive matters, such as whether angels had an omphalos.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Angels don't have omphaloi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Pulled up their skirts and looked, have you?
>>
>>
>>
>>, each is separately created and is not wrought
>>
>>>out of sexual union, as men are.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Uh, then why were they fucking all those nephilim, Davey.
>>
>>Make up your goddamn mind. Did angels (or fallen ones) fuck humans, or
>>didn't they. Which is it. Do they have cocks and cunts, or don't they.
>> If they do, then why don't they have omphali. If they don't, how did
>>they fuck human women.
>>
>>Do tell, Davey. Give us the benefit of your divine knowledge.
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm not a nephilim expert.
That didn't seem to prevent you from blithering about them anyway,.
Davey? Why all of a sudden NOW you are pleading ignorance ont he
matter, after I've pointed out how silly and stupid it makes you look?
> I hope maybe jason or someone who knows the topic
> better
How the hell did "Dr" Gastrich get to be an authority on "nephilim",
Davey. How the hell does he know any more about "nephilim" than my next
door neighbor or my veterinarian does? How the hell would "Dr" Gastrich
know if "nephilim" have cocks/cunts or not?
Or do the "nephilim" tell jokes to "Dr" Gastrich as he does his laundry,
just as God does.
<snicker> <giggle>
> will answer this.
>
Please. I'd like VERY MUCH to see that.
Unfortunately for all of us, though, "Dr" Gastrich the "Nephilim Expert"
doesn't have the balls to have that conversation here with me.
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