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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 06:05:04 +0000, Skitter The Cat wrote:
>
> On 3-Feb-2004, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>
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>> From: "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
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>> talk.origins,alt.fan.uncle-davey,free.christians.soc.support.fat-acceptance
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>> news:cb5b2d4e.0402021542.4498bb00@posting.google.com...
>> > richard@plesiosaur.com (Richard Forrest) wrote in message
>> news:<892cb437.0402020645.66f5141b@posting.google.com>...
>> > > >
>> > > > I think the problem is with some of the studies you have given is
>> > > > that
>> they
>> > > > are biassed because obese people write them.
>> > > >
>> > > > Uncle Davey
>> > >
>> > > My word! Isn't it easy to dismiss evidence that contradicts your
>> > > view! Thanks for the laugh.
>> > >
>> > > RF
>> > >
>> > > PS You're not exactly persuading me by the force of your argument
>> > > and evidence.
>> >
>> > Here is an interesting point. When the truly mass production of
>> > images on paper became cheap and easy, from high speed rotary presses,
>> > around the turn of the last century, it was possible for the first
>> > time to provide chick-pictures to a mass market. You will look forever
>> > to find any mass produced images of female beauty that are anywhere
>> > near fat. Check out the vargas girls who were staple pinups in the 2nd
>> > WW.
>> > It is hard to know exactly why stone images of fat women were mass
>> > produced 20,000 years ago. It is unlikely that they were love objects
>> > because such women have low fertility and would be a lot of trouble to
>> > carry around from place to place in stone-age Europe. Maybe the
>> > statues were used as fear inducing objects in primitive warfare --
>> > something to throw at an enemy to make them run away.
>> > As for all those Raphaels, Who knows? He was being paid to portray
>> > certain rich people. Who knows why they wanted what he produced?
>> > But for images of female beauty for a mass market, there has been
>> > virtually no fat-women-images, ever. Maryln Monroe, at the end of her
>> > life, was at the upper limit of what has ever been considered
>> > marketable.
>> >
>> >
>> I sometimes think those old stone figures where there to tease fat women
>> and
>> encourage them to slim down a little, and regain their value to the
>> tribe. They probably stuck them in the fridge so as to scare off the fat
>> women when
>> they went there by night to get their sleeping calories.
>>
>> Uncle Davey
>
> Uncle Davey!
> I'm surprised at you! Why in the world would go to all the trouble of
> inventing such an assertion, or coming up with such an obviously ad hoc
> explanation that serves only to be insulting and dismissive-as a
> Christian, why would you do such a thing! I am shocked! Shocked! Surely
> and truly I am at least as shocked as Capt. Renault must have been when he
> found gambling going on at Rick's Place! Why not just follow the pattern
> that you usually do when confronting archaeological or anthropological
> evidence: wave your hands and just wish it away, or mumble a few ritual
> bibliophilic phrases, invoke some smoke (in front of the mirror you are
> afraid to look in) and transform the conflicting data into pillars of
> support for your ideology?!
>
> This Curious Cat wants to know:
>
> Since you don't think radiocarbon dating is valid, and you don't think
> varve dating is valid, and you don't think dendrochronology is valid, and
> you don't think thermoluminescence dating is valid, and you don't think
> archaeomagnetic dating is valid, and you don't think fission track dating
> is valid, and you don't think potassium argon dating is valid, and you
> don't think obsidian hydration dating is valid, and you don't think
> seriation dating is useful, or stratigraphy and superposition important,
> or understanding formation processes effect on the archaeological record
> is useful, or that the four separate branches of anthropology
> (archaeology, cultural anthropology, linguistics, and physical
> anthropology) can inform one another...in short, if you can dismiss all
> that you have to dismiss in order to make your claims regarding the Tower
> of Babel and the spread of humanity into the Americas appear anything
> other than the fancy of your imagnation...
>
> Then why not just claim that the Venus figurines were made in Taiwan last
> Thursday by skinny little atheists out to spread the lie that there was a
> prehistoric period to human existence and be done with it? And/or that
> Reuben's (et al) art has changed shape and color over the course of time
> so that the figures depicted merely appear to have been of sizes and
> shapes that are obviously repulsive to any civilized, sexually active
> male.
>
> Ah, but then you would be passing up an opportunity to denigrate some
> people and generally make Christians look like asinine fools. As a
> Christian, and simply as a part of the human community, I find your
> ethnocentric and egocentric ramblings sad and pathetic.
>
> I think I see the design behind your postings. I wish that design were
> intelligent. I wish it blessed the world with love and compassion. I wish
> it elevated the human spirit and glorified God. I wish it expanded
> knowledge and wisdom. I wish it spread the Gospel.
>
> Instead, it just wastes bandwidth.
>
> And for that, I simply feel sorrow.
>
> I wish you luck and hope that the Grace of God finds us both, as well as
> all others reading this.
>
> Skitter the Cat
Said it better than I did. In another post, I made the comment that, other
than his considerable knowledge of different languages, Uncle Davey has
had his ass handed to him on every issue he's attempted to put forth on
this newsgroup. And while most of the creationist posters around here
stick to a couple of claims and stick with 'em, Davey's been pretty
prolific, at least insofar as number of _different_ claims to be wrong
about is concerned.
He does so much harm to his cause, I can't imagine why he continues in
this vein.
--
...and it is my belief that no greater good has ever befallen you in this city
than my service to my God. [...] Wealth does not bring goodness, but goodness
brings wealth and every other blessing, both to the individual and that state.
Plato, quoting Socrates, from The _Apology_
--Daniel Harper
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