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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:01:23 +0000, Mitchell Coffey wrote:
> rdubose@pdq.net (Ralph DuBose) wrote in message
> news:<cb5b2d4e.0402021542.4498bb00@posting.google.com>...
>> richard@plesiosaur.com (Richard Forrest) wrote in message
>> news:<892cb437.0402020645.66f5141b@posting.google.com>...
>> > >
>> > > I think the problem is with some of the studies you have given is
>> > > that they are biassed because obese people write them.
>> > >
>> > > Uncle Davey
>> >
>> > My word! Isn't it easy to dismiss evidence that contradicts your view!
>> > Thanks for the laugh.
>> >
>> > RF
>> >
>> > PS You're not exactly persuading me by the force of your argument and
>> > evidence.
>>
>> Here is an interesting point. When the truly mass production of
>> images on paper became cheap and easy, from high speed rotary presses,
>> around the turn of the last century, it was possible for the first time
>> to provide chick-pictures to a mass market. You will look forever to
>> find any mass produced images of female beauty that are anywhere near
>> fat. Check out the vargas girls who were staple pinups in the 2nd WW.
>
> Much cheekier than what you see now.
>
>> It is hard to know exactly why stone images of fat women were mass
>> produced 20,000 years ago. It is unlikely that they were love objects
>> because such women have low fertility and would be a lot of trouble to
>> carry around from place to place in stone-age Europe.
>
> Such people had higher fertility in stone-age conditions, when food
> supplies were uneven..
>
>> Maybe the
>> statues were used as fear inducing objects in primitive warfare --
>> something to throw at an enemy to make them run away.
>> As for all those Raphaels, Who knows? He was being paid to portray
>> certain rich people. Who knows why they wanted what he produced?
>> But for images of female beauty for a mass market, there has been
>> virtually no fat-women-images, ever. Maryln Monroe, at the end of her
>> life, was at the upper limit of what has ever been considered
>> marketable.
>
> Special pleading. You're explaining away the mass of evidence against you
> with ad hoc assertions. When cheesecake was expensive to produce,
> pictures of fat ladies got produced, you don't really say why. But when a
> great dead of effort went into production, and the product was relatively
> rare and valuable, the cheesecake tended toward heavey. Why, you don't
> say.
>
> I note also how you dismiss any speculation on people's motives ("Who
> knows why they wanted what he produced")when you think it helps your
> argument to be dismisive, while going for the gold when you think it helps
> to speculate ("Maybe the statues were used as fear inducing objects"). I
> suppose it likely you were joking; which means you had no real response to
> that bit of evidence at all.
>
> Monroe, by the way, was not at the upper-limit of marketable pin-up
> photos. Your comment that there have been virtually no fat-women-images,
> ever, on the mass market is inaccurate. In the 19th c. a healthy market
> for pin-up still grew hard upon the evention of photography. Fat was
> often the word of the day.
>
According to the fiftieth anniversary edition of Playboy, the heaviest
Playmate was Christine Williams (10/63) who weighed 150 pounds.
Largest waist was Rebecca Scott in August '99. 28 inches.
Not exactly small women, I must say. And Miss Scott was only three and a
half years ago.
> Mitchell Coffey
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...and it is my belief that no greater good has ever befallen you in this city
than my service to my God. [...] Wealth does not bring goodness, but goodness
brings wealth and every other blessing, both to the individual and that state.
Plato, quoting Socrates, from The _Apology_
--Daniel Harper
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