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| The Danimal (dmocsny@mfm.com) |
2004/02/03 11:21 |
"la n." <nilita2004nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bvjekr$ss5ff$1@ID-138339.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> "The Danimal" <dmocsny@mfm.com> wrote in message
> news:cac1ad88.0402010927.1a76c9e7@posting.google.com...
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> I am going to leave the above for Davey to explain, as he has
> already so many times before.
Davey has done no such thing. He just keeps asserting his
imagination is real, without explaining what makes his
imagination superior to Osama bin Laden's or anybody else's.
In any case, are you unable to think for yourself?
Can you explain why you believe what you believe, or does it
just make you feel good?
Here's another question: have you ever, in your life, heard
something that at first made you feel bad, and then later you
discovered that thing was true? Was your emotional reaction to
truth a reliable guide in that instance?
Have your feelings always led you to the right decisions?
> > > One definitely sees that in his
> > > long lamentations about his self-described loser guy status and
> > > his diatribes against his usenet "adversaries" (such as myself) who
> > > don't buy into the "i'm garbage" "my life is hopeless" schtick.
> >
> > What does your Bible say about humbling yourself before the LORD?
> >
> > What did the Apostle Paul write about being a wretched man?
> > Should I think I am a better man than the Apostle Paul
> > said he was?
>
> My belief is that when you humble yourself before the Lord, you
> "bottom out" in a way in that you admit
To who? Admitting something to yourself, while keeping it
secret from others, is not humility.
Real humility comes from admitting your faults to people who
might use your admissions against you.
Why do you think humans evolved the emotion of pride in the
first place? It's to drive people to do exactly what you do---
carry on in front of others as if you are better than you are.
Humility is when you finally stop worrying about impressing
other people. It's when you can finally admit to the world
that yes, you really are a dumpy old hag who has barely a
fraction of the attractiveness to men you enjoyed 20 years ago.
Your obvious discomfort with admitting the obvious shows that
you have not yet even approximated true humility.
> your powerlessness over
> many things - whether it be your physical defects, your lack of
> resources, ability to influence supermodels to love you, etc.
Or your ability to arouse Trygve sexually.
Can you admit to the world that you are sexually worthless to
Trygve? Are you sufficiently humble to do that?
> With that kind of humbling, there comes a kind of freedom
> in that you don't have to have that kind of power in order to
> be content.
Have you experienced the kind of freedom that comes from
admitting to the world you are sexually worthless to Trygve Lode?
I have to admit, few things could be funnier than Nilo talking
about humility, as if she's ever actually experienced (let alone
demonstrated) that emotion.
> > My life is not altogether hopeless---there are some interesting
> > things I can do. But there are many other things for which my
> > probability of success is Nil. (As in, Nil=0.) A good example
> > would be having Halle Berry fall hopelessly in love with me.
>
> So, that's not the end of the world, right?
Well duh: if I continue to be sexually worthless to Halle Berry,
then the world in its present form has not ended. The world in
its present form is obviously powering right along.
If I heard a knock at my door and Halle Berry showed up
dressed for a visit (with Sorel Boots, a few layers of powerstretch
fleece over a fleece thong, and a parka just slightly and teasingly
unzipped) I would realize the world as I previously knew it had
ended. I'd fire up the electric blanket on "high" and snuggle
up with Halle before she came to her senses and wondered what
she was doing with this weird guy in a *$&%ing cold house. Although
hey, the fat kitty is kind of cute.
Granted, for all I know Halle Berry might be too insane to spend
any serious amount of time with. I refer only to her decorative
properties, which are of course all the entertainment industry
lets us see of her. Quite possibly for good reason.
> And yet, you focus - it appears -
Only to a sufficiently stupid observer.
Does it occur to you that sometimes your hero Uncle Davey
writes particular things just to get a rise out of people
on Usenet? And that he is not necessarily making those
things his life's primary focus?
> many hours a day lamenting not having supermodels
I see. And so do the many daily Nilo posts excoriating Miguel
tell us what Nilo does with her every waking moment? That is,
does Nilo wallow in constant hatred for men she strikes out
with?
The available evidence only demonstrates Nilo's vengeful
bitchiness in one particular narrow circumstance. Usenet
provides no direct data about whether Nilo is a vengeful
bitch in all her offline personal interactions.
A more reasonable working assumption is that Nilo is generally
nice to people who are nice to her, much like most other people.
Incidentally, it will be interesting to see if you manage to
ruin your cordial relationship with Uncle Davey as you ruined
your cordial relationship with Miguel. Note that the cordial
period in both relationships appears/appeared to
be based/have been based on the men in question not knowing
you very well at the time when they are/were cordial.
Naturally, since you have rejected logic and chosen faith,
you have not developed the intellectual skill and patience
necessary to keep an open mind about things you are ignorant
of. Therefore you aren't even aware when you prematurely
discard alternative hypotheses. If you see a person do
something once, you might leap to the conclusion that's
all he does. Particularly if he points out things about
you that could help you become more humble.
I'm only trying to help you experience more of that kind
of freedom you crave.
Nilo, do you understand that real humility means agreeing
with all the bad things people say about you? Real humility
means allowing other people to form a negative opinion about
you even if it could actually be worse than what you really
are (not that I'd bet that way, of course).
So if I were truly humble---and truly free---I would encourage
you to think I do nothing besides obsess all day, every day
over my failure to attract any woman resembling Halle Berry.
Alas, my humility is imperfect.
> when that kind of energy that you have could be put to more
> purposeful ventures.
Ah yes, such as the purposeful venture of imagining that
someday Jesus will return for those washed in His blood
and rapture them off to heaven where they will be happy
forever after.
In case you hadn't noticed, humans have a recurrent tendency
to fantasize about better worlds than the one they know.
You know, worlds where everything isn't screwed up (according
to each person's definition).
Tell you what---you can start worrying about me taking my
daydreams too far when I start praying to Halle Berry and
imagining she talks back to me. Like the way some people do
with Jesus.
Nilo, do you talk to Jesus? If so, ask him what's about about
the crying thing.
> > Note that if Halle Berry fell hopelessly in love with me, then
> > in an important sense her life would be hopeless, because falling
> > in love tends to occupy a lot of a person's thought, and thus
> > becomes a large part of her life.
>
> You spend a lot of thought energy on Halle, without even
> being in the same State as her, and ... for what?
Because unlike when you pray to God, there is some very tiny but
not quite zero chance Halle could actually hear me.
It's probably no stupider than buying lottery tickets. After
all, those cost actual money.
> > Nilo, when you have fallen hopelessly in love with other people
> > besides yourself, did you view your life as being hopeless at
> > the time? Technically, it was (after all, you didn't say you
> > were hopefully in love), but you probably weren't sharp enough
> > to get that.
>
> Dan, you equate lack of self-loathing for being in love with
> one's self.
Admitting you are sexually worthless to Trygve does not equate
to loathing yourself.
There are lots of people who are sexually worthless to Trygve
and do not loathe themselves as a result.
Where did you develop your weird emotional concept that admitting
your faults means you hate yourself?
Do you have to think you are perfect before you can love yourself?
Come on, the self-love you have consistently demonstrated appears
to be far stronger than that.
> False premise. BTW, when one falls in love, in
> a way it is "hopeless" or "helpless", in that one seemingly has
> no control over that feeling,
What feeling does one have control over?
The word "emotion" means "something which causes motion."
Our emotions move us; we do not move them.
Emotions are your genes' way of reminding you they are in
charge.
> only on how one deals with that
> feeling. I could be like you who is hopelessly in love with
> Halle Berry so much to the point that you lock yourself in
> a basement room
Technically, my basement is all one room, as it is unfinished.
> with your pc writing lamentations of the
> hopelessness of the prospect of winning her love, day after
> day after day.
And that differs from praying to an imaginary God exactly how?
Answer: it is possible to prove Halle Berry exists.
Actually it would be better if Halle Berry did not exist,
because then she would be a product of really good simulation
technology, and unlike the real Halle, I would stand a pretty
good chance of getting my hands on that technology.
If God does not exist, then all you have is your imagination.
You might also consider the possibility that not everything
another person writes comes from the same sort of
emotional drenching you undergo as you read it.
In other words, projection is not your friend.
> > > One wonders at times if Danimal (and a couple of his soc.
> > > cohorts) aren't on a multi-year sabbatical
> > > from ... well .... life.
> >
> > I'm on a sabbatical from self-aborbed egomaniacal self-worship.
>
> Really? You write long expositions trying to convince the
> audience of your superior knowledge and insight and those
> that don't buy into your propaganda are ... garbage!
Actually I simply point out where you are are wrong and
explain why you are wrong and let people conclude what they
like.
Some people conclude Nilo is garbage, and others do not.
So which would you rather have me do? Lament the fact that
I will never attract a woman who is much like Halle Berry,
or point out all your errors?
Would you rather I loathe myself, or loathe you? See: Miguel
for an example of what the latter mix could be like. Miguel
loathes you as much as he does not loathe himself. Therefore
he is accordingly rougher.
I don't believe, as Miguel does, that Nilo should kill herself.
I think that would be a waste of Canadian tax dollars. Instead
Nilo should quit posting nonsense to Usenet and go volunteer
her services to minister to the needs of Canada's poor people.
Nilo, I am sure someone in Canada has some unmet need and
would appreciate your help.
How about your local hospital? Do you work as a volunteer to
visit and comfort the children who suffer from cancer? You
actually have relevant experience.
Instead of posting endless articles to Usenet attempting to
deny your sexual worthlessness to Trygve, why don't you go
help cancer kids? You are worth a lot to them.
> > Of course to you that *would* be a sabbatical from life.
>
> If I were to fall into the trap of self-loathing, as you would
> have me do, that would be a sabbatical from life.
Do you even have a concept that a fact is inherently
distinct from your emotional reaction to that fact?
I guess: no.
> To use
> your own words about myself, I'm an "ugly old woman".
If that's not true already, it will be soon enough. *EVERY*
woman gets ugly if she lives long enough. Do you have a
problem with that, or do you have to hide from the truth
by caging it in quotes?
As you pointed out earlier, being sexually worthless is not
the end of the world. So why can't you just admit to it?
> Should I give up on life?
You should give up on trying to carry on the way a young
attractive woman gets away with.
For example, you have this odd habit of attempting to argue
with people who are vastly more logical, intelligent, and
insightful than you are. As if your brain is just as likely
as their brains to properly evaluate things.
People will forgive a lot of stupidity in an attractive
woman. Your life might start making more sense if you
understand how the game rules are changing for you.
When a woman gets old, eventually her mind is the only thing
she has going for her. Aside from charity.
> Or should I acknowledge that
> there are a bazillion other ways to enjoy life with a certain
> amount of contentment which has nothing to do with
> buying into the culture of Usenet where people such as
> yourself, miKKKe, and Sharon feel it's your full-time
> job of attacking, ridiculing, and putting down other
> people with the hopes of inflicting some damage.
So when you pursue your full-time job of attacking,
ridiculing, and putting down people on Usenet do you also
hope to inflict some damage?
And why did you reach into your bag of a bazillion other ways
to enjoy life and decide wasting time on Usenet is the most
constructive thing you can do with your time?
Is shoepee really the best you've got?
> > P.S. Thanks for making me feel less wretched by comparison.
>
> I shouldn't have to make you feel *anything*.
True, but when you make me feel less wretched, I'll take it.
> If you feel
> good or bad about yourself, it should come from within
> and not by anything *I* say about you.
It's not what you say about me, it's what your behavior
demonstrates about you.
> You don't seem
> to get that point because you have faith that your insults
> and lies directed to my person are going to cause me some
> sort of psychic pain.
You seem to have faith that it's all about you. In a way,
it is.
> Hint: You are not my Higher Power.
I could sooner get a date with Halle Berry than dislodge your
self-absorption from its unassailably secure position as your
Higher Power.
-- the Danimal
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