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From: "la n." <nilita2004nospam@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: We win by innovation, not by protectionism
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:45:52 -0800
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"The Danimal" <dmocsny@mfm.com> wrote in message
news:cac1ad88.0401311732.5eb817c2@posting.google.com...
> "la n." <nilita2004@yahoo.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
news:<oHRSb.8970$ft1.1367@clgrps12>...
> > "Piorokrat" <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote in message
> > news:bvgekg$5m$1@news.onet.pl...
> > >
> > > Uzytkownik "Sharon B" <sharon@lart.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> > > news:oaaj101vistrpuv6g70s0p5a7ogj5een8s@4ax.com...
> > > > On 29 Jan 2004 13:20:21 -0800, dmocsny@mfm.com (The Danimal) wrote
in
> > > > <cac1ad88.0401291320.5403f396@posting.google.com>:
> > > >
> > > > >branchofjesse@hotmail.com (Jerzy Jakubowski) wrote in message
> > news:<b9b3de8.0401290438.54c5f319@posting.google.com>...
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > > >> Faith means believing what does not pass as what you call a fact
as
> > if
> > > > >> it was one.
> > > > >
> > > > >Your sentence is hard to parse, perhaps by design.
> > > >
> > > > He got it wrong, in any event.
> > > >
> > > > "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of
> > > > things not seen."--Paul, Hebrews 11:1.
> > > >
> > > > hth
> > >
> > > It was precisely that verse I had in mind.
> > >
> > > If faith is 'the evidence of things not seen', then in apposition to
> > > science, which demands seeable evidence before it declares a fact,
faith
> > > it's own evidence, and we believe unseen.
> > >
> > > I didn't give the verse vebatim, but I gave the substance of it, or at
> > least
> > > the substance of what I hoped for.
> > >
> >
> > I knew that you were referring to that particular verse, Uncle,
> > because you have talked about it before.
> >
> > In any case, I think it's a sad life for one who does not have
> > faith, because faith - at the very least - implies hope, and
> > hope is what drives us to the future with optimism and
> > happiness.
> >
> > la n.
>
> So if I have faith that Nilo is garbage, is that evidence that
> Nilo is garbage?
>
> Faith is only evidence that you enjoy kidding yourself.
>
> -- the Danimal
>
> P.S. Nice attempt at a misleading wordgame, though. It's obviously
> tricky enough to fool billions of religious tools.
Okay, Danimal, let's play with semantics a little bit here.
People with faith in God tend to be happier and more
optimistic. People who have "faith" that I'm garbage show
a tendency towards depression, anger, and very little
hope for a better future..
When you, Danimal, call me "garbage", does it make
you feel good? Does it give you hope for the future?
Even if faith in God extended a placebo effect,
wouldn't such a faith in God be more effective than
a faith in my garbageness, as far as the long-term
effect? Calling me garbage may give you a
temporary high ... but having faith in a Higher Power
will give you hope that will carry you through all
sorts of storms, including rejection by supermodels.
la n.
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