On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:02:38 +0100, "Ariaan"
<thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Bible Bob wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:06:10 +0100, "Ariaan"
>> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Piorokrat wrote:
>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>>> news:sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:12:41 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>>>>> news:hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:07:45 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>>>>>>>> wiadomosci news:ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:10:50 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
>>>>>>>>> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "C Spivey" <cspivey@premiercomp.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Two Thousand Years ago a certain Man, innocent of all
>>>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, was taken into custody by the authorities, given
>>>>>>>>>>> a trial in which He was charged of crimes He had not
>>>>>>>>>>> committed, and even when "no fault" could be
>>>> found
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Him,
>>>>>>>>>>> He was condemned to the cruelest death that man could invent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now it should not be supposed that simply because these Two
>>>>>>>>>>> Thousand Years have passed that this terrible miscarriage of
>>>>>>>>>>> justice will not be avenged in the Highest Court! Nor should
>>>>>>>>>>> it be supposed that everyone who
>>>> has
>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> part in this travesty will escape the judgment of this Court!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You may think you know nothing, at all, about this event. But
>>>>>>>>>>> you are still guilty of His blood, and it behooves you, now,
>>>>>>>>>>> to cry unto Him, "the Judge of all the earth", for mercy and
>>>>>>>>>>> grace, in, what cannot be otherwise, your impending and
>>>>>>>>>>> eternal doom!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who, in the
>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>> est
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>> and grace, paid our debt of sin, Himself, on the Cross of
>>>>>>>>>>> Calvary.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Though He was crucified at the hands of wicked men, Jews and
>>>>>>>>>>> Gentiles are guilty of His death. But more, it was your sins,
>>>>>>>>>>> your life style, that nailed Him to the Cross, so you are not
>>>>>>>>>>> innocent in this matter, but guilty as charged. Yet because
>>>>>>>>>>> He not only was innocent of all wrongdoing, but righteous in
>>>>>>>>>>> all that He did, the grave could not hold Him. Death had no
>>>>>>>>>>> claim upon Him. Consequently, by His own Almighty power He
>>>>>>>>>>> arose from the dead; and alive forever more, He is seeking
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>> all
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> had a part in His crucifixion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now it seems to me that the wisest thing that any man could
>>>>>>>>>>> do under such circumstances is to plead for mercy from this
>>>>>>>>>>> Court of Justice. Because this Man, whom you have crucified
>>>>>>>>>>> (your sins also nailed Him to the cross), is alive, and He
>>>>>>>>>>> is coming again to take vengeance upon all mankind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ is The Judge of All the Earth!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I. for one, am certainly responsible for Christ's death on the
>>>> cross.
>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> sins, He died, to take the punishment for them. The same
>>>>>>>>>> punishment cannot be demanded twice, and so my Judge has
>>>>>>>>>> become my Saviour!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>>> www.usenetposts.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your picture does not reveal your age :).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. As an eyewitness of the conviction and
>>>>>>>>> murder of Jesus Christ by the Jews and Romans, you must
>>>>>>>>> obviously have been able to speak and understand Hebew,
>>>>>>>>> Aramaic, Greek, and Latin spoke by the rest of the people
>>>>>>>>> there; or maybe just Hebrew.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Bible does not tell us everything that happened, so why
>>>>>>>>> don't you fill me in on what you personally witnessed two
>>>>>>>>> thousand years ago when you took part in the execution of
>>>>>>>>> Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're writing like someone who doesn't believe in
>>>>>>>> predestination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know what election and predestination is and what it is not.
>>>>>>> I also know about our identification in Christ, substitution,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know of know scripture that says that Christians living today
>>>>>>> are responsible for the behavior of non-christians 2000 years
>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>> God is a just God and judges individuals based on individual
>>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saying that Christ died for you is tantamount to saying that you
>>>>>> put him there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise, how do you parse the verse about people crucifying to
>>>>>> themselves the Son of God afresh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Christ had not meant to die for us, then He could have escaped,
>>>>>> as He did those other times, before His time was ready.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>
>>>>> Because it is talking about crucifying to "themselves".
>>>>>
>>>>> Christ meant to die for our sins, but only for those we commit.
>>>>> But since you brought it up, what evidence do you have from the
>>>>> scriptures that Christ knew that he would be crucified for the body
>>>>> of Christ? We know that he knew he was being crucified for the Jews
>>>>> of that time. We know that he was able to endure the cross for the
>>>>> glory set before him. But, the mystery was not revealed until it
>>>>> was made known to the apostle Paul, so had God revealed that part
>>>>> of the plan to Him before the crucifixion or wait until after the
>>>>> crucifixion to reveal it to him?
>>>>>
>>>>> BB
>>>>
>>>> One massive piece of evidence is that he prays for future believers
>>>> in John 17, "neither pray I for these alone..." and there are all
>>>> the the prophetical passages about the end.
>>>>
>>>> Now here we see how your belief that Christ is not God Almighty
>>>> interferes with your understanding of what Christ knew. Clearly he
>>>> knew what would be h ereafter, and the name of all that would come
>>>> to him. He never lost that knowledge, even being a tiny baby lying
>>>> in a manger. He never stopped being God and in Him dwelt all the
>>>> fullness of the godhead bodily. So therefore of course He new
>>>> whatever God the Father knew before Paul knew it. 'Never revealed
>>>> before' does not include Jesus, and that is clear to all but the
>>>> tiny majority of Bible believers who have managed to escape the
>>>> fact that Jesus is the LORD.
>>>>
>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>
>>> That's right, Uncle. Read Zachariah 2:8-11
>>> "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'After glory He has
>>> sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches
>>> you, touches the apple of His eye. For behold, I will wave My hand
>>> over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you
>>> will know that the LORD of Hosts has sent Me. Sing for joy and be
>>> glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and will dwell in
>>> your midst,' declares the LORD. 'And many nations will join
>>> themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I
>>> will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts
>>> has sent Me to you.'"
>>>
>>> LORD of hosts sends LORD of hosts, here.
>>> God sends God
>>>
>>> That makes Ariaan happy!
>>> Yaaahooooo!
>>>
>> Ariaan,
>>
>> Surely, you haven't read my earlier post about Zech, otherwise you
>> would not have repeated the modification of the text by capitalizing
>> "me".
>>
>> Why would someone being wrong make you happy? Why do you need someone
>> to agree with you to establish your faith? Are you getting desperate?
>> Are you a drowning man reaching out for anything that passes by to
>> hold you up? Careful, whale excrement, might float for a little while
>> but will surely sink. When you are drowning in an ocean of doubt,
>> fear, and desperation, calm down inhale some pneuma and float to
>> shore. Backfloat so you can pass the time reading the Word on your
>> way to shore or so that if you don't have a Bible you can look up into
>> the stars and read the Word He wrote in the stars.
>>
>> Bob
>
>Heh heh heh, no, I'm not drowning at all. I'm just celebrating my knowledge
>of Christ's deity.
>
>Oh, and I don't think I've seen you refute my interpretation of this text.
>All I saw was a weak argument that this should be some sort of figurative
>text. You didn't even address the fact that it says the LORD is being sent
>by the LORD.
>
>Ariaan
>
So you missed the part where I admonished you for capitalizing the
word "me". And now you change the actual words in the Word to support
your belief system. Wonder where that inspiration came from? Quote
for me the words from which you wrongly divided "the LORD is being
sent by the LORD" that do not appear in the text. Then read the
verses in context and tell me who "me" is in "he sent me" in verse
nine (Hint try reading in the contextd starting at 2:1).
Ariaan, while it is fun for us to banter back and forth. It is not
profitable to you, to me, to the body, to the Lord Jesus Christ, or to
God to wrongly divide the Word to prove a point of ego. How do you
expect God to teach you if your bucket is full? The word "meek" means
willing to learn. God teaches the Word to those who are "meek".
BB
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