Path: news.nzbot.com!not-for-mail
From: "Ariaan" <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.uncle-davey
References: <bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com> <bvg60d$2rh$0@pita.alt.net> <ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com> <bvgrai$40h$2@news.onet.pl> <hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com> <bvgv46$dr2$1@news.onet.pl> <sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com> <bvh1eh$jno$1@news.onet.pl> <MUTSb.397440$_x2.841913@zonnet-reader-1> <bvh4gd$rmu$1@news.onet.pl> <mDUSb.398473$_x2.842815@zonnet-reader-1> <p39o10lj0pjigvpkombkk56ap7pe7m0ckv@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
Lines: 220
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
Message-ID: <dDVSb.400201$_x2.843418@zonnet-reader-1>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:03:58 +0100
NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.166.242.6
X-Complaints-To: abuse@zonnet.nl
X-Trace: zonnet-reader-1 1075586633 62.166.242.6 (Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:03:53 MET)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:03:53 MET
Xref: news.nzbot.com alt.fan.uncle-davey:2049
Bible Bob wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:55:51 +0100, "Ariaan"
> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Piorokrat wrote:
>>> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
>>>> Piorokrat wrote:
>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>>>> news:sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:12:41 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>>>>>>> wiadomosci news:hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:07:45 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>>>>>>>>> wiadomosci news:ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:10:50 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
>>>>>>>>>> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "C Spivey" <cspivey@premiercomp.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Two Thousand Years ago a certain Man, innocent of all
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, was taken into custody by the authorities,
>>>>>>>>>>>> given a trial in which He was charged of crimes He had not
>>>>>>>>>>>> committed, and even when "no fault" could be
>>>>> found
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Him,
>>>>>>>>>>>> He was condemned to the cruelest death that man could
>>>>>>>>>>>> invent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it should not be supposed that simply because these Two
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thousand Years have passed that this terrible miscarriage
>>>>>>>>>>>> of justice will not be avenged in the Highest Court! Nor
>>>>>>>>>>>> should it be supposed that everyone who
>>>>> has
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> part in this travesty will escape the judgment of this
>>>>>>>>>>>> Court!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You may think you know nothing, at all, about this event.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you are still guilty of His blood, and it behooves
>>>>>>>>>>>> you, now, to cry unto Him, "the Judge of all the earth",
>>>>>>>>>>>> for mercy and grace, in, what cannot be otherwise, your
>>>>>>>>>>>> impending and eternal doom!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who, in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>> est
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>> and grace, paid our debt of sin, Himself, on the Cross of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Calvary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Though He was crucified at the hands of wicked men, Jews
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Gentiles are guilty of His death. But more, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>> your sins, your life style, that nailed Him to the Cross,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so you are not innocent in this matter, but guilty as
>>>>>>>>>>>> charged. Yet because He not only was innocent of all
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, but righteous in all that He did, the grave
>>>>>>>>>>>> could not hold Him. Death had no claim upon Him.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Consequently, by His own Almighty power He arose from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> dead; and alive forever more, He is seeking for
>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> had a part in His crucifixion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it seems to me that the wisest thing that any man could
>>>>>>>>>>>> do under such circumstances is to plead for mercy from this
>>>>>>>>>>>> Court of Justice. Because this Man, whom you have crucified
>>>>>>>>>>>> (your sins also nailed Him to the cross), is alive, and He
>>>>>>>>>>>> is coming again to take vengeance upon all mankind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ is The Judge of All the Earth!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I. for one, am certainly responsible for Christ's death on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> cross.
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> sins, He died, to take the punishment for them. The same
>>>>>>>>>>> punishment cannot be demanded twice, and so my Judge has
>>>>>>>>>>> become my Saviour!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>>>> www.usenetposts.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your picture does not reveal your age :).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. As an eyewitness of the conviction and
>>>>>>>>>> murder of Jesus Christ by the Jews and Romans, you must
>>>>>>>>>> obviously have been able to speak and understand Hebew,
>>>>>>>>>> Aramaic, Greek, and Latin spoke by the rest of the people
>>>>>>>>>> there; or maybe just Hebrew.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Bible does not tell us everything that happened, so why
>>>>>>>>>> don't you fill me in on what you personally witnessed two
>>>>>>>>>> thousand years ago when you took part in the execution of
>>>>>>>>>> Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're writing like someone who doesn't believe in
>>>>>>>>> predestination.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know what election and predestination is and what it is not.
>>>>>>>> I also know about our identification in Christ, substitution,
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know of know scripture that says that Christians living today
>>>>>>>> are responsible for the behavior of non-christians 2000 years
>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>> God is a just God and judges individuals based on individual
>>>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Saying that Christ died for you is tantamount to saying that you
>>>>>>> put him there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Otherwise, how do you parse the verse about people crucifying to
>>>>>>> themselves the Son of God afresh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Christ had not meant to die for us, then He could have
>>>>>>> escaped, as He did those other times, before His time was ready.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it is talking about crucifying to "themselves".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christ meant to die for our sins, but only for those we commit.
>>>>>> But since you brought it up, what evidence do you have from the
>>>>>> scriptures that Christ knew that he would be crucified for the
>>>>>> body of Christ? We know that he knew he was being crucified for
>>>>>> the Jews of that time. We know that he was able to endure the
>>>>>> cross for the glory set before him. But, the mystery was not
>>>>>> revealed until it was made known to the apostle Paul, so had God
>>>>>> revealed that part of the plan to Him before the crucifixion or
>>>>>> wait until after the crucifixion to reveal it to him?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BB
>>>>>
>>>>> One massive piece of evidence is that he prays for future
>>>>> believers in John 17, "neither pray I for these alone..." and
>>>>> there are all the the prophetical passages about the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now here we see how your belief that Christ is not God Almighty
>>>>> interferes with your understanding of what Christ knew. Clearly he
>>>>> knew what would be h ereafter, and the name of all that would come
>>>>> to him. He never lost that knowledge, even being a tiny baby lying
>>>>> in a manger. He never stopped being God and in Him dwelt all the
>>>>> fullness of the godhead bodily. So therefore of course He new
>>>>> whatever God the Father knew before Paul knew it. 'Never revealed
>>>>> before' does not include Jesus, and that is clear to all but the
>>>>> tiny majority of Bible believers who have managed to escape the
>>>>> fact that Jesus is the LORD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>
>>>> That's right, Uncle. Read Zachariah 2:8-11
>>>> "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'After glory He has
>>>> sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches
>>>> you, touches the apple of His eye. For behold, I will wave My hand
>>>> over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you
>>>> will know that the LORD of Hosts has sent Me. Sing for joy and be
>>>> glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and will dwell in
>>>> your midst,' declares the LORD. 'And many nations will join
>>>> themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then
>>>> I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of
>>>> hosts has sent Me to you.'"
>>>>
>>>> LORD of hosts sends LORD of hosts, here.
>>>> God sends God
>>>>
>>>> That makes Ariaan happy!
>>>> Yaaahooooo!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can see Bobby looking through what his hebrew books have to say
>>> about that fantastic passage right now.
>>>
>>> Life's hard when you claim to believe the Bible, but don't accept
>>> that Christ is the Lord of Hosts.
>>>
>>> Uncle Davey
>>
>> Yeah, I'm curious how he will explain this. I mean, it's in plain
>> sight. Not really material for a figurative meaning, I'd say.
>>
>> Ariaan
>>
> I answered it hours ago. Child's play.
>
> BB
No you didn't. If you did, then re-post it and say that this is the post in
which you refute my interpretation.
Ariaan
|
| Follow-ups: | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 | 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 |
|