Bible Bob wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:06:10 +0100, "Ariaan"
> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Piorokrat wrote:
>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>> news:sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:12:41 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>>>> news:hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:07:45 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>>>>>>> wiadomosci news:ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:10:50 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
>>>>>>>> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "C Spivey" <cspivey@premiercomp.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com...
>>>>>>>>>> "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Two Thousand Years ago a certain Man, innocent of all
>>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, was taken into custody by the authorities, given
>>>>>>>>>> a trial in which He was charged of crimes He had not
>>>>>>>>>> committed, and even when "no fault" could be
>>> found
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Him,
>>>>>>>>>> He was condemned to the cruelest death that man could invent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now it should not be supposed that simply because these Two
>>>>>>>>>> Thousand Years have passed that this terrible miscarriage of
>>>>>>>>>> justice will not be avenged in the Highest Court! Nor should
>>>>>>>>>> it be supposed that everyone who
>>> has
>>>>> had
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> part in this travesty will escape the judgment of this Court!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You may think you know nothing, at all, about this event. But
>>>>>>>>>> you are still guilty of His blood, and it behooves you, now,
>>>>>>>>>> to cry unto Him, "the Judge of all the earth", for mercy and
>>>>>>>>>> grace, in, what cannot be otherwise, your impending and
>>>>>>>>>> eternal doom!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who, in the
>>>>>>>>>> great
>>> est
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>> and grace, paid our debt of sin, Himself, on the Cross of
>>>>>>>>>> Calvary.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Though He was crucified at the hands of wicked men, Jews and
>>>>>>>>>> Gentiles are guilty of His death. But more, it was your sins,
>>>>>>>>>> your life style, that nailed Him to the Cross, so you are not
>>>>>>>>>> innocent in this matter, but guilty as charged. Yet because
>>>>>>>>>> He not only was innocent of all wrongdoing, but righteous in
>>>>>>>>>> all that He did, the grave could not hold Him. Death had no
>>>>>>>>>> claim upon Him. Consequently, by His own Almighty power He
>>>>>>>>>> arose from the dead; and alive forever more, He is seeking
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>> all
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> had a part in His crucifixion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now it seems to me that the wisest thing that any man could
>>>>>>>>>> do under such circumstances is to plead for mercy from this
>>>>>>>>>> Court of Justice. Because this Man, whom you have crucified
>>>>>>>>>> (your sins also nailed Him to the cross), is alive, and He
>>>>>>>>>> is coming again to take vengeance upon all mankind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ is The Judge of All the Earth!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I. for one, am certainly responsible for Christ's death on the
>>> cross.
>>>>> For
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> sins, He died, to take the punishment for them. The same
>>>>>>>>> punishment cannot be demanded twice, and so my Judge has
>>>>>>>>> become my Saviour!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>> www.usenetposts.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your picture does not reveal your age :).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very interesting. As an eyewitness of the conviction and
>>>>>>>> murder of Jesus Christ by the Jews and Romans, you must
>>>>>>>> obviously have been able to speak and understand Hebew,
>>>>>>>> Aramaic, Greek, and Latin spoke by the rest of the people
>>>>>>>> there; or maybe just Hebrew.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Bible does not tell us everything that happened, so why
>>>>>>>> don't you fill me in on what you personally witnessed two
>>>>>>>> thousand years ago when you took part in the execution of
>>>>>>>> Jesus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're writing like someone who doesn't believe in
>>>>>>> predestination.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know what election and predestination is and what it is not.
>>>>>> I also know about our identification in Christ, substitution,
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know of know scripture that says that Christians living today
>>>>>> are responsible for the behavior of non-christians 2000 years
>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>> God is a just God and judges individuals based on individual
>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BB
>>>>>
>>>>> Saying that Christ died for you is tantamount to saying that you
>>>>> put him there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, how do you parse the verse about people crucifying to
>>>>> themselves the Son of God afresh?
>>>>>
>>>>> If Christ had not meant to die for us, then He could have escaped,
>>>>> as He did those other times, before His time was ready.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>
>>>> Because it is talking about crucifying to "themselves".
>>>>
>>>> Christ meant to die for our sins, but only for those we commit.
>>>> But since you brought it up, what evidence do you have from the
>>>> scriptures that Christ knew that he would be crucified for the body
>>>> of Christ? We know that he knew he was being crucified for the Jews
>>>> of that time. We know that he was able to endure the cross for the
>>>> glory set before him. But, the mystery was not revealed until it
>>>> was made known to the apostle Paul, so had God revealed that part
>>>> of the plan to Him before the crucifixion or wait until after the
>>>> crucifixion to reveal it to him?
>>>>
>>>> BB
>>>
>>> One massive piece of evidence is that he prays for future believers
>>> in John 17, "neither pray I for these alone..." and there are all
>>> the the prophetical passages about the end.
>>>
>>> Now here we see how your belief that Christ is not God Almighty
>>> interferes with your understanding of what Christ knew. Clearly he
>>> knew what would be h ereafter, and the name of all that would come
>>> to him. He never lost that knowledge, even being a tiny baby lying
>>> in a manger. He never stopped being God and in Him dwelt all the
>>> fullness of the godhead bodily. So therefore of course He new
>>> whatever God the Father knew before Paul knew it. 'Never revealed
>>> before' does not include Jesus, and that is clear to all but the
>>> tiny majority of Bible believers who have managed to escape the
>>> fact that Jesus is the LORD.
>>>
>>> Uncle Davey
>>
>> That's right, Uncle. Read Zachariah 2:8-11
>> "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'After glory He has
>> sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches
>> you, touches the apple of His eye. For behold, I will wave My hand
>> over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you
>> will know that the LORD of Hosts has sent Me. Sing for joy and be
>> glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and will dwell in
>> your midst,' declares the LORD. 'And many nations will join
>> themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I
>> will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts
>> has sent Me to you.'"
>>
>> LORD of hosts sends LORD of hosts, here.
>> God sends God
>>
>> That makes Ariaan happy!
>> Yaaahooooo!
>>
> Ariaan,
>
> Surely, you haven't read my earlier post about Zech, otherwise you
> would not have repeated the modification of the text by capitalizing
> "me".
>
> Why would someone being wrong make you happy? Why do you need someone
> to agree with you to establish your faith? Are you getting desperate?
> Are you a drowning man reaching out for anything that passes by to
> hold you up? Careful, whale excrement, might float for a little while
> but will surely sink. When you are drowning in an ocean of doubt,
> fear, and desperation, calm down inhale some pneuma and float to
> shore. Backfloat so you can pass the time reading the Word on your
> way to shore or so that if you don't have a Bible you can look up into
> the stars and read the Word He wrote in the stars.
>
> Bob
Heh heh heh, no, I'm not drowning at all. I'm just celebrating my knowledge
of Christ's deity.
Oh, and I don't think I've seen you refute my interpretation of this text.
All I saw was a weak argument that this should be some sort of figurative
text. You didn't even address the fact that it says the LORD is being sent
by the LORD.
Ariaan
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