On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:20:51 +0100, "Ariaan"
<thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Piorokrat wrote:
>> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
>>> Piorokrat wrote:
>>>> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
>>>>> Piorokrat wrote:
>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>>>>> news:sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:12:41 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>>>>>>>> wiadomosci news:hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:07:45 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>>>>>>>>>> wiadomosci news:ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:10:50 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
>>>>>>>>>>> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "C Spivey" <cspivey@premiercomp.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two Thousand Years ago a certain Man, innocent of all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, was taken into custody by the authorities,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> given a trial in which He was charged of crimes He had not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> committed, and even when "no fault" could be
>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Him,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was condemned to the cruelest death that man could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> invent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it should not be supposed that simply because these Two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thousand Years have passed that this terrible miscarriage
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of justice will not be avenged in the Highest Court! Nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should it be supposed that everyone who
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> part in this travesty will escape the judgment of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Court!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may think you know nothing, at all, about this event.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you are still guilty of His blood, and it behooves
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, now, to cry unto Him, "the Judge of all the earth",
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for mercy and grace, in, what cannot be otherwise, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> impending and eternal doom!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who, in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>> est
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and grace, paid our debt of sin, Himself, on the Cross of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calvary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though He was crucified at the hands of wicked men, Jews
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Gentiles are guilty of His death. But more, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your sins, your life style, that nailed Him to the Cross,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so you are not innocent in this matter, but guilty as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> charged. Yet because He not only was innocent of all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, but righteous in all that He did, the grave
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could not hold Him. Death had no claim upon Him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Consequently, by His own Almighty power He arose from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead; and alive forever more, He is seeking for
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a part in His crucifixion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it seems to me that the wisest thing that any man could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do under such circumstances is to plead for mercy from this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Court of Justice. Because this Man, whom you have crucified
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (your sins also nailed Him to the cross), is alive, and He
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is coming again to take vengeance upon all mankind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ is The Judge of All the Earth!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I. for one, am certainly responsible for Christ's death on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> cross.
>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> sins, He died, to take the punishment for them. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>> punishment cannot be demanded twice, and so my Judge has
>>>>>>>>>>>> become my Saviour!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.usenetposts.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your picture does not reveal your age :).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. As an eyewitness of the conviction and
>>>>>>>>>>> murder of Jesus Christ by the Jews and Romans, you must
>>>>>>>>>>> obviously have been able to speak and understand Hebew,
>>>>>>>>>>> Aramaic, Greek, and Latin spoke by the rest of the people
>>>>>>>>>>> there; or maybe just Hebrew.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Bible does not tell us everything that happened, so why
>>>>>>>>>>> don't you fill me in on what you personally witnessed two
>>>>>>>>>>> thousand years ago when you took part in the execution of
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're writing like someone who doesn't believe in
>>>>>>>>>> predestination.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know what election and predestination is and what it is not.
>>>>>>>>> I also know about our identification in Christ, substitution,
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know of know scripture that says that Christians living today
>>>>>>>>> are responsible for the behavior of non-christians 2000 years
>>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>>> God is a just God and judges individuals based on individual
>>>>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saying that Christ died for you is tantamount to saying that you
>>>>>>>> put him there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Otherwise, how do you parse the verse about people crucifying to
>>>>>>>> themselves the Son of God afresh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Christ had not meant to die for us, then He could have
>>>>>>>> escaped, as He did those other times, before His time was ready.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because it is talking about crucifying to "themselves".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christ meant to die for our sins, but only for those we commit.
>>>>>>> But since you brought it up, what evidence do you have from the
>>>>>>> scriptures that Christ knew that he would be crucified for the
>>>>>>> body of Christ? We know that he knew he was being crucified for
>>>>>>> the Jews of that time. We know that he was able to endure the
>>>>>>> cross for the glory set before him. But, the mystery was not
>>>>>>> revealed until it was made known to the apostle Paul, so had God
>>>>>>> revealed that part of the plan to Him before the crucifixion or
>>>>>>> wait until after the crucifixion to reveal it to him?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One massive piece of evidence is that he prays for future
>>>>>> believers in John 17, "neither pray I for these alone..." and
>>>>>> there are all the the prophetical passages about the end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now here we see how your belief that Christ is not God Almighty
>>>>>> interferes with your understanding of what Christ knew. Clearly he
>>>>>> knew what would be h ereafter, and the name of all that would come
>>>>>> to him. He never lost that knowledge, even being a tiny baby lying
>>>>>> in a manger. He never stopped being God and in Him dwelt all the
>>>>>> fullness of the godhead bodily. So therefore of course He new
>>>>>> whatever God the Father knew before Paul knew it. 'Never revealed
>>>>>> before' does not include Jesus, and that is clear to all but the
>>>>>> tiny majority of Bible believers who have managed to escape the
>>>>>> fact that Jesus is the LORD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>
>>>>> That's right, Uncle. Read Zachariah 2:8-11
>>>>> "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'After glory He has
>>>>> sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches
>>>>> you, touches the apple of His eye. For behold, I will wave My hand
>>>>> over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you
>>>>> will know that the LORD of Hosts has sent Me. Sing for joy and be
>>>>> glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and will dwell in
>>>>> your midst,' declares the LORD. 'And many nations will join
>>>>> themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then
>>>>> I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of
>>>>> hosts has sent Me to you.'"
>>>>>
>>>>> LORD of hosts sends LORD of hosts, here.
>>>>> God sends God
>>>>>
>>>>> That makes Ariaan happy!
>>>>> Yaaahooooo!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can see Bobby looking through what his hebrew books have to say
>>>> about that fantastic passage right now.
>>>>
>>>> Life's hard when you claim to believe the Bible, but don't accept
>>>> that Christ is the Lord of Hosts.
>>>>
>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm curious how he will explain this. I mean, it's in plain
>>> sight. Not really material for a figurative meaning, I'd say.
>>>
>>> Ariaan
>>>
>>
>> I predict five paragraphs of unreadable gibberish dressed up to look
>> scholarly, then an abrupt changing of the subject, probably combined
>> with an ad hominem attack on me.
>>
>> That's if past performance is any indicator of future growth.
>>
>> Uncle Davey
>
>Of course not. He's gonna try his best. It's just that he want's to put too
>much information on too broad a subject in one post about a tiny subpart of
>the topic.
>
>Ariaan
>
I answered it hours ago. Read back up the thread.
BB
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