On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:09:07 +0100, "Piorokrat"
<piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>
><thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
>> Piorokrat wrote:
>> > <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
>> >> Piorokrat wrote:
>> >>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>> >>> news:sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com...
>> >>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:12:41 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>> >>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>> >>>>> news:hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:07:45 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>> >>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>> >>>>>>> wiadomosci news:ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com...
>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:10:50 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
>> >>>>>>>> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "C Spivey" <cspivey@premiercomp.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>> news:bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com...
>> >>>>>>>>>> "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Two Thousand Years ago a certain Man, innocent of all
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, was taken into custody by the authorities, given
>> >>>>>>>>>> a trial in which He was charged of crimes He had not
>> >>>>>>>>>> committed, and even when "no fault" could be
>> >>> found
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>>> Him,
>> >>>>>>>>>> He was condemned to the cruelest death that man could invent.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Now it should not be supposed that simply because these Two
>> >>>>>>>>>> Thousand Years have passed that this terrible miscarriage of
>> >>>>>>>>>> justice will not be avenged in the Highest Court! Nor should
>> >>>>>>>>>> it be supposed that everyone who
>> >>> has
>> >>>>> had
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>> part in this travesty will escape the judgment of this Court!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> You may think you know nothing, at all, about this event. But
>> >>>>>>>>>> you are still guilty of His blood, and it behooves you, now,
>> >>>>>>>>>> to cry unto Him, "the Judge of all the earth", for mercy and
>> >>>>>>>>>> grace, in, what cannot be otherwise, your impending and
>> >>>>>>>>>> eternal doom!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who, in the
>> >>>>>>>>>> great
>> >>> est
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>> love
>> >>>>>>>>>> and grace, paid our debt of sin, Himself, on the Cross of
>> >>>>>>>>>> Calvary.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Though He was crucified at the hands of wicked men, Jews and
>> >>>>>>>>>> Gentiles are guilty of His death. But more, it was your sins,
>> >>>>>>>>>> your life style, that nailed Him to the Cross, so you are not
>> >>>>>>>>>> innocent in this matter, but guilty as charged. Yet because
>> >>>>>>>>>> He not only was innocent of all wrongdoing, but righteous in
>> >>>>>>>>>> all that He did, the grave could not hold Him. Death had no
>> >>>>>>>>>> claim upon Him. Consequently, by His own Almighty power He
>> >>>>>>>>>> arose from the dead; and alive forever more, He is seeking
>> >>>>>>>>>> for
>> >>> all
>> >>>>>>> those
>> >>>>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>>>>> had a part in His crucifixion.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Now it seems to me that the wisest thing that any man could
>> >>>>>>>>>> do under such circumstances is to plead for mercy from this
>> >>>>>>>>>> Court of Justice. Because this Man, whom you have crucified
>> >>>>>>>>>> (your sins also nailed Him to the cross), is alive, and He
>> >>>>>>>>>> is coming again to take vengeance upon all mankind.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ is The Judge of All the Earth!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I. for one, am certainly responsible for Christ's death on the
>> >>> cross.
>> >>>>> For
>> >>>>>>> my
>> >>>>>>>>> sins, He died, to take the punishment for them. The same
>> >>>>>>>>> punishment cannot be demanded twice, and so my Judge has
>> >>>>>>>>> become my Saviour!
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>> >>>>>>>>> www.usenetposts.com
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Your picture does not reveal your age :).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Very interesting. As an eyewitness of the conviction and
>> >>>>>>>> murder of Jesus Christ by the Jews and Romans, you must
>> >>>>>>>> obviously have been able to speak and understand Hebew,
>> >>>>>>>> Aramaic, Greek, and Latin spoke by the rest of the people
>> >>>>>>>> there; or maybe just Hebrew.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The Bible does not tell us everything that happened, so why
>> >>>>>>>> don't you fill me in on what you personally witnessed two
>> >>>>>>>> thousand years ago when you took part in the execution of
>> >>>>>>>> Jesus.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> BB
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You're writing like someone who doesn't believe in
>> >>>>>>> predestination.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I know what election and predestination is and what it is not.
>> >>>>>> I also know about our identification in Christ, substitution,
>> >>>>>> etc.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I know of know scripture that says that Christians living today
>> >>>>>> are responsible for the behavior of non-christians 2000 years
>> >>>>>> ago.
>> >>>>>> God is a just God and judges individuals based on individual
>> >>>>>> behavior.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> BB
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Saying that Christ died for you is tantamount to saying that you
>> >>>>> put him there.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Otherwise, how do you parse the verse about people crucifying to
>> >>>>> themselves the Son of God afresh?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If Christ had not meant to die for us, then He could have escaped,
>> >>>>> as He did those other times, before His time was ready.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Uncle Davey
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> Because it is talking about crucifying to "themselves".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Christ meant to die for our sins, but only for those we commit.
>> >>>> But since you brought it up, what evidence do you have from the
>> >>>> scriptures that Christ knew that he would be crucified for the body
>> >>>> of Christ? We know that he knew he was being crucified for the Jews
>> >>>> of that time. We know that he was able to endure the cross for the
>> >>>> glory set before him. But, the mystery was not revealed until it
>> >>>> was made known to the apostle Paul, so had God revealed that part
>> >>>> of the plan to Him before the crucifixion or wait until after the
>> >>>> crucifixion to reveal it to him?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> BB
>> >>>
>> >>> One massive piece of evidence is that he prays for future believers
>> >>> in John 17, "neither pray I for these alone..." and there are all
>> >>> the the prophetical passages about the end.
>> >>>
>> >>> Now here we see how your belief that Christ is not God Almighty
>> >>> interferes with your understanding of what Christ knew. Clearly he
>> >>> knew what would be h ereafter, and the name of all that would come
>> >>> to him. He never lost that knowledge, even being a tiny baby lying
>> >>> in a manger. He never stopped being God and in Him dwelt all the
>> >>> fullness of the godhead bodily. So therefore of course He new
>> >>> whatever God the Father knew before Paul knew it. 'Never revealed
>> >>> before' does not include Jesus, and that is clear to all but the
>> >>> tiny majority of Bible believers who have managed to escape the
>> >>> fact that Jesus is the LORD.
>> >>>
>> >>> Uncle Davey
>> >>
>> >> That's right, Uncle. Read Zachariah 2:8-11
>> >> "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'After glory He has
>> >> sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches
>> >> you, touches the apple of His eye. For behold, I will wave My hand
>> >> over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you
>> >> will know that the LORD of Hosts has sent Me. Sing for joy and be
>> >> glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and will dwell in
>> >> your midst,' declares the LORD. 'And many nations will join
>> >> themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I
>> >> will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts
>> >> has sent Me to you.'"
>> >>
>> >> LORD of hosts sends LORD of hosts, here.
>> >> God sends God
>> >>
>> >> That makes Ariaan happy!
>> >> Yaaahooooo!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I can see Bobby looking through what his hebrew books have to say
>> > about that fantastic passage right now.
>> >
>> > Life's hard when you claim to believe the Bible, but don't accept that
>> > Christ is the Lord of Hosts.
>> >
>> > Uncle Davey
>>
>> Yeah, I'm curious how he will explain this. I mean, it's in plain sight.
>Not
>> really material for a figurative meaning, I'd say.
>>
>> Ariaan
>>
>
>I predict five paragraphs of unreadable gibberish dressed up to look
>scholarly, then an abrupt changing of the subject, probably combined with an
>ad hominem attack on me.
>
>That's if past performance is any indicator of future growth.
>
>Uncle Davey
>
LOL.
Well another prophecy that does not come true. You know what that
means. Everybody grab some stones.
BB
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