Bible Bob wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:44:32 +0100, "Piorokrat"
> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>
>>
>> <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
>>> Piorokrat wrote:
>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>>>> news:sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:12:41 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>>>>>> wiadomosci news:hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:07:45 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>>>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
>>>>>>>> wiadomosci news:ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:10:50 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
>>>>>>>>> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "C Spivey" <cspivey@premiercomp.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Two Thousand Years ago a certain Man, innocent of all
>>>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, was taken into custody by the authorities,
>>>>>>>>>>> given a trial in which He was charged of crimes He had not
>>>>>>>>>>> committed, and even when "no fault" could be
>>>> found
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Him,
>>>>>>>>>>> He was condemned to the cruelest death that man could
>>>>>>>>>>> invent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now it should not be supposed that simply because these Two
>>>>>>>>>>> Thousand Years have passed that this terrible miscarriage of
>>>>>>>>>>> justice will not be avenged in the Highest Court! Nor should
>>>>>>>>>>> it be supposed that everyone who
>>>> has
>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> part in this travesty will escape the judgment of this
>>>>>>>>>>> Court!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You may think you know nothing, at all, about this event.
>>>>>>>>>>> But you are still guilty of His blood, and it behooves you,
>>>>>>>>>>> now, to cry unto Him, "the Judge of all the earth", for
>>>>>>>>>>> mercy and grace, in, what cannot be otherwise, your
>>>>>>>>>>> impending and eternal doom!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who, in the
>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>> est
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>> and grace, paid our debt of sin, Himself, on the Cross of
>>>>>>>>>>> Calvary.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Though He was crucified at the hands of wicked men, Jews and
>>>>>>>>>>> Gentiles are guilty of His death. But more, it was your
>>>>>>>>>>> sins, your life style, that nailed Him to the Cross, so you
>>>>>>>>>>> are not innocent in this matter, but guilty as charged. Yet
>>>>>>>>>>> because He not only was innocent of all wrongdoing, but
>>>>>>>>>>> righteous in all that He did, the grave could not hold Him.
>>>>>>>>>>> Death had no claim upon Him. Consequently, by His own
>>>>>>>>>>> Almighty power He arose from the dead; and alive forever
>>>>>>>>>>> more, He is seeking for
>>>> all
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> had a part in His crucifixion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now it seems to me that the wisest thing that any man could
>>>>>>>>>>> do under such circumstances is to plead for mercy from this
>>>>>>>>>>> Court of Justice. Because this Man, whom you have crucified
>>>>>>>>>>> (your sins also nailed Him to the cross), is alive, and He
>>>>>>>>>>> is coming again to take vengeance upon all mankind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ is The Judge of All the Earth!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I. for one, am certainly responsible for Christ's death on
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> cross.
>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> sins, He died, to take the punishment for them. The same
>>>>>>>>>> punishment cannot be demanded twice, and so my Judge has
>>>>>>>>>> become my Saviour!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>>> www.usenetposts.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your picture does not reveal your age :).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. As an eyewitness of the conviction and
>>>>>>>>> murder of Jesus Christ by the Jews and Romans, you must
>>>>>>>>> obviously have been able to speak and understand Hebew,
>>>>>>>>> Aramaic, Greek, and Latin spoke by the rest of the people
>>>>>>>>> there; or maybe just Hebrew.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Bible does not tell us everything that happened, so why
>>>>>>>>> don't you fill me in on what you personally witnessed two
>>>>>>>>> thousand years ago when you took part in the execution of
>>>>>>>>> Jesus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're writing like someone who doesn't believe in
>>>>>>>> predestination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know what election and predestination is and what it is not.
>>>>>>> I also know about our identification in Christ, substitution,
>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know of know scripture that says that Christians living today
>>>>>>> are responsible for the behavior of non-christians 2000 years
>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>> God is a just God and judges individuals based on individual
>>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saying that Christ died for you is tantamount to saying that you
>>>>>> put him there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise, how do you parse the verse about people crucifying to
>>>>>> themselves the Son of God afresh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Christ had not meant to die for us, then He could have
>>>>>> escaped, as He did those other times, before His time was ready.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>>>>
>>>>> Because it is talking about crucifying to "themselves".
>>>>>
>>>>> Christ meant to die for our sins, but only for those we commit.
>>>>> But since you brought it up, what evidence do you have from the
>>>>> scriptures that Christ knew that he would be crucified for the
>>>>> body of Christ? We know that he knew he was being crucified for
>>>>> the Jews of that time. We know that he was able to endure the
>>>>> cross for the glory set before him. But, the mystery was not
>>>>> revealed until it was made known to the apostle Paul, so had God
>>>>> revealed that part of the plan to Him before the crucifixion or
>>>>> wait until after the crucifixion to reveal it to him?
>>>>>
>>>>> BB
>>>>
>>>> One massive piece of evidence is that he prays for future believers
>>>> in John 17, "neither pray I for these alone..." and there are all
>>>> the the prophetical passages about the end.
>>>>
>>>> Now here we see how your belief that Christ is not God Almighty
>>>> interferes with your understanding of what Christ knew. Clearly he
>>>> knew what would be h ereafter, and the name of all that would come
>>>> to him. He never lost that knowledge, even being a tiny baby lying
>>>> in a manger. He never stopped being God and in Him dwelt all the
>>>> fullness of the godhead bodily. So therefore of course He new
>>>> whatever God the Father knew before Paul knew it. 'Never revealed
>>>> before' does not include Jesus, and that is clear to all but the
>>>> tiny majority of Bible believers who have managed to escape the
>>>> fact that Jesus is the LORD.
>>>>
>>>> Uncle Davey
>>>
>>> That's right, Uncle. Read Zachariah 2:8-11
>>> "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'After glory He has
>>> sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches
>>> you, touches the apple of His eye. For behold, I will wave My hand
>>> over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you
>>> will know that the LORD of Hosts has sent Me. Sing for joy and be
>>> glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and will dwell in
>>> your midst,' declares the LORD. 'And many nations will join
>>> themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then
>>> I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of
>>> hosts has sent Me to you.'"
>>>
>>> LORD of hosts sends LORD of hosts, here.
>>> God sends God
>>>
>>> That makes Ariaan happy!
>>> Yaaahooooo!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I can see Bobby looking through what his hebrew books have to say
>> about that fantastic passage right now.
>>
>> Life's hard when you claim to believe the Bible, but don't accept
>> that Christ is the Lord of Hosts.
>>
>> Uncle Davey
>>
> I handled that one earlier today. Ariaan made it real easy for me
> by trying to modify the text.. Of course having covered the titles of
> God recently it wasn't that hard to bring back to memory.
>
> Did you get the email I sent you? I could use some advice.
>
> BB
I altered nothing. You always say that, but I've never done that. Show me
proof.
Ariaan
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