On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:52:17 +0100, "Piorokrat"
<piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>
>Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>news:sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:12:41 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>> >news:hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:07:45 +0100, "Piorokrat"
>> >> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>> >> >news:ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:10:50 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"C Spivey" <cspivey@premiercomp.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com...
>> >> >> >> "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Two Thousand Years ago a certain Man, innocent of all wrongdoing,
>> >was
>> >> >> >taken
>> >> >> >> into custody by the authorities, given a trial in which He was
>> >charged
>> >> >of
>> >> >> >> crimes He had not committed, and even when "no fault" could be
>found
>> >in
>> >> >> >Him,
>> >> >> >> He was condemned to the cruelest death that man could invent.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Now it should not be supposed that simply because these Two
>Thousand
>> >> >Years
>> >> >> >> have passed that this terrible miscarriage of justice will not be
>> >> >avenged
>> >> >> >in
>> >> >> >> the Highest Court! Nor should it be supposed that everyone who
>has
>> >had
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >> part in this travesty will escape the judgment of this Court!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You may think you know nothing, at all, about this event. But you
>> >are
>> >> >> >still
>> >> >> >> guilty of His blood, and it behooves you, now, to cry unto Him,
>"the
>> >> >Judge
>> >> >> >> of all the earth", for mercy and grace, in, what cannot be
>> >otherwise,
>> >> >your
>> >> >> >> impending and eternal doom!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who, in the great
>est
>> >of
>> >> >> >love
>> >> >> >> and grace, paid our debt of sin, Himself, on the Cross of
>Calvary.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Though He was crucified at the hands of wicked men, Jews and
>> >Gentiles
>> >> >are
>> >> >> >> guilty of His death. But more, it was your sins, your life style,
>> >that
>> >> >> >> nailed Him to the Cross, so you are not innocent in this matter,
>but
>> >> >> >guilty
>> >> >> >> as charged. Yet because He not only was innocent of all
>> >> >> >> wrongdoing, but righteous in all that He did, the grave could not
>> >hold
>> >> >> >Him.
>> >> >> >> Death had no claim upon Him. Consequently, by His own Almighty
>power
>> >He
>> >> >> >> arose from the dead; and alive forever more, He is seeking for
>all
>> >> >those
>> >> >> >who
>> >> >> >> had a part in His crucifixion.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Now it seems to me that the wisest thing that any man could do
>under
>> >> >such
>> >> >> >> circumstances is to plead for mercy from this Court of Justice.
>> >Because
>> >> >> >this
>> >> >> >> Man, whom you have crucified (your sins also nailed Him to the
>> >cross),
>> >> >is
>> >> >> >> alive, and He is coming again to take vengeance upon all mankind.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Jesus Christ is The Judge of All the Earth!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I. for one, am certainly responsible for Christ's death on the
>cross.
>> >For
>> >> >my
>> >> >> >sins, He died, to take the punishment for them. The same punishment
>> >> >cannot
>> >> >> >be demanded twice, and so my Judge has become my Saviour!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Uncle Davey
>> >> >> >www.usenetposts.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Your picture does not reveal your age :).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Very interesting. As an eyewitness of the conviction and murder of
>> >> >> Jesus Christ by the Jews and Romans, you must obviously have been
>able
>> >> >> to speak and understand Hebew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin spoke by
>the
>> >> >> rest of the people there; or maybe just Hebrew.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Bible does not tell us everything that happened, so why don't
>you
>> >> >> fill me in on what you personally witnessed two thousand years ago
>> >> >> when you took part in the execution of Jesus.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> BB
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >You're writing like someone who doesn't believe in predestination.
>> >> >
>> >> >Uncle Davey
>> >> >
>> >> I know what election and predestination is and what it is not. I
>> >> also know about our identification in Christ, substitution, etc.
>> >>
>> >> I know of know scripture that says that Christians living today are
>> >> responsible for the behavior of non-christians 2000 years ago. God is
>> >> a just God and judges individuals based on individual behavior.
>> >>
>> >> BB
>> >
>> >Saying that Christ died for you is tantamount to saying that you put him
>> >there.
>> >
>> >Otherwise, how do you parse the verse about people crucifying to
>themselves
>> >the Son of God afresh?
>> >
>> >If Christ had not meant to die for us, then He could have escaped, as He
>did
>> >those other times, before His time was ready.
>> >
>> >Uncle Davey
>> >
>> Because it is talking about crucifying to "themselves".
>>
>> Christ meant to die for our sins, but only for those we commit. But
>> since you brought it up, what evidence do you have from the scriptures
>> that Christ knew that he would be crucified for the body of Christ?
>> We know that he knew he was being crucified for the Jews of that time.
>> We know that he was able to endure the cross for the glory set before
>> him. But, the mystery was not revealed until it was made known to the
>> apostle Paul, so had God revealed that part of the plan to Him before
>> the crucifixion or wait until after the crucifixion to reveal it to
>> him?
>>
>> BB
>
>One massive piece of evidence is that he prays for future believers in John
>17, "neither pray I for these alone..." and there are all the the
>prophetical passages about the end.
>
>Now here we see how your belief that Christ is not God Almighty interferes
>with your understanding of what Christ knew. Clearly he knew what would be h
>ereafter, and the name of all that would come to him. He never lost that
>knowledge, even being a tiny baby lying in a manger. He never stopped being
>God and in Him dwelt all the fullness of the godhead bodily. So therefore of
>course He new whatever God the Father knew before Paul knew it. 'Never
>revealed before' does not include Jesus, and that is clear to all but the
>tiny majority of Bible believers who have managed to escape the fact that
>Jesus is the LORD.
>
>Uncle Davey
>
Agreed, but I was talking about the mystery of Ephesians 3. In the
Gospels Jesus was speaking to the Jews and much of the prophetic
material has to do with when he comes for the church of the bride in
Revelation as indicated in Matthew 24:3 and following.
Baby Jesus did not know everything. Jesus learned which explained why
he read the scriptures and learned from as mentioned in Luke 2. He
got spiritual knowledge on and after the baptism when he received
spirit. He was not a baby god with God's knowledge. Explain how he
could be tempted in all ways like as we if he had foreknowldege or how
he could have fulfilled the law as God. He did not know know all that
God knew and he said so himself as in Acts 1:7 and other places.
BB
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