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<thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
> Piorokrat wrote:
> > <thisisagenuineaddresssopleaseomittheobvioustoreplyNOOOSPAM@hotmail.com>
> >> Piorokrat wrote:
> >>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >>> news:sj0o10hsgmihvve80u8tos3uhl86eep47m@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:12:41 +0100, "Piorokrat"
> >>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >>>>> news:hfsn109a401gqvc5f7cb1v777nhp8jpumm@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 19:07:45 +0100, "Piorokrat"
> >>>>>> <piorokrat@autograf.pl> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w
> >>>>>>> wiadomosci news:ulqn10l9t1ih71q0c2gb8us2gj35u0kupr@4ax.com...
> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:10:50 +0100, "Uncle Davey"
> >>>>>>>> <noway@jose.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "C Spivey" <cspivey@premiercomp.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> news:bv9acb$ndn$1@news.chatlink.com...
> >>>>>>>>>> "THE JUDGE OF ALL THE EARTH"
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Two Thousand Years ago a certain Man, innocent of all
> >>>>>>>>>> wrongdoing, was taken into custody by the authorities, given
> >>>>>>>>>> a trial in which He was charged of crimes He had not
> >>>>>>>>>> committed, and even when "no fault" could be
> >>> found
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> Him,
> >>>>>>>>>> He was condemned to the cruelest death that man could invent.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Now it should not be supposed that simply because these Two
> >>>>>>>>>> Thousand Years have passed that this terrible miscarriage of
> >>>>>>>>>> justice will not be avenged in the Highest Court! Nor should
> >>>>>>>>>> it be supposed that everyone who
> >>> has
> >>>>> had
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> part in this travesty will escape the judgment of this Court!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You may think you know nothing, at all, about this event. But
> >>>>>>>>>> you are still guilty of His blood, and it behooves you, now,
> >>>>>>>>>> to cry unto Him, "the Judge of all the earth", for mercy and
> >>>>>>>>>> grace, in, what cannot be otherwise, your impending and
> >>>>>>>>>> eternal doom!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> His name is Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who, in the
> >>>>>>>>>> great
> >>> est
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> love
> >>>>>>>>>> and grace, paid our debt of sin, Himself, on the Cross of
> >>>>>>>>>> Calvary.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Though He was crucified at the hands of wicked men, Jews and
> >>>>>>>>>> Gentiles are guilty of His death. But more, it was your sins,
> >>>>>>>>>> your life style, that nailed Him to the Cross, so you are not
> >>>>>>>>>> innocent in this matter, but guilty as charged. Yet because
> >>>>>>>>>> He not only was innocent of all wrongdoing, but righteous in
> >>>>>>>>>> all that He did, the grave could not hold Him. Death had no
> >>>>>>>>>> claim upon Him. Consequently, by His own Almighty power He
> >>>>>>>>>> arose from the dead; and alive forever more, He is seeking
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>> all
> >>>>>>> those
> >>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>> had a part in His crucifixion.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Now it seems to me that the wisest thing that any man could
> >>>>>>>>>> do under such circumstances is to plead for mercy from this
> >>>>>>>>>> Court of Justice. Because this Man, whom you have crucified
> >>>>>>>>>> (your sins also nailed Him to the cross), is alive, and He
> >>>>>>>>>> is coming again to take vengeance upon all mankind.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ is The Judge of All the Earth!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I. for one, am certainly responsible for Christ's death on the
> >>> cross.
> >>>>> For
> >>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>> sins, He died, to take the punishment for them. The same
> >>>>>>>>> punishment cannot be demanded twice, and so my Judge has
> >>>>>>>>> become my Saviour!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Uncle Davey
> >>>>>>>>> www.usenetposts.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your picture does not reveal your age :).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Very interesting. As an eyewitness of the conviction and
> >>>>>>>> murder of Jesus Christ by the Jews and Romans, you must
> >>>>>>>> obviously have been able to speak and understand Hebew,
> >>>>>>>> Aramaic, Greek, and Latin spoke by the rest of the people
> >>>>>>>> there; or maybe just Hebrew.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Bible does not tell us everything that happened, so why
> >>>>>>>> don't you fill me in on what you personally witnessed two
> >>>>>>>> thousand years ago when you took part in the execution of
> >>>>>>>> Jesus.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> BB
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You're writing like someone who doesn't believe in
> >>>>>>> predestination.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Uncle Davey
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I know what election and predestination is and what it is not.
> >>>>>> I also know about our identification in Christ, substitution,
> >>>>>> etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I know of know scripture that says that Christians living today
> >>>>>> are responsible for the behavior of non-christians 2000 years
> >>>>>> ago.
> >>>>>> God is a just God and judges individuals based on individual
> >>>>>> behavior.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BB
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Saying that Christ died for you is tantamount to saying that you
> >>>>> put him there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Otherwise, how do you parse the verse about people crucifying to
> >>>>> themselves the Son of God afresh?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If Christ had not meant to die for us, then He could have escaped,
> >>>>> as He did those other times, before His time was ready.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Uncle Davey
> >>>>>
> >>>> Because it is talking about crucifying to "themselves".
> >>>>
> >>>> Christ meant to die for our sins, but only for those we commit.
> >>>> But since you brought it up, what evidence do you have from the
> >>>> scriptures that Christ knew that he would be crucified for the body
> >>>> of Christ? We know that he knew he was being crucified for the Jews
> >>>> of that time. We know that he was able to endure the cross for the
> >>>> glory set before him. But, the mystery was not revealed until it
> >>>> was made known to the apostle Paul, so had God revealed that part
> >>>> of the plan to Him before the crucifixion or wait until after the
> >>>> crucifixion to reveal it to him?
> >>>>
> >>>> BB
> >>>
> >>> One massive piece of evidence is that he prays for future believers
> >>> in John 17, "neither pray I for these alone..." and there are all
> >>> the the prophetical passages about the end.
> >>>
> >>> Now here we see how your belief that Christ is not God Almighty
> >>> interferes with your understanding of what Christ knew. Clearly he
> >>> knew what would be h ereafter, and the name of all that would come
> >>> to him. He never lost that knowledge, even being a tiny baby lying
> >>> in a manger. He never stopped being God and in Him dwelt all the
> >>> fullness of the godhead bodily. So therefore of course He new
> >>> whatever God the Father knew before Paul knew it. 'Never revealed
> >>> before' does not include Jesus, and that is clear to all but the
> >>> tiny majority of Bible believers who have managed to escape the
> >>> fact that Jesus is the LORD.
> >>>
> >>> Uncle Davey
> >>
> >> That's right, Uncle. Read Zachariah 2:8-11
> >> "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'After glory He has
> >> sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches
> >> you, touches the apple of His eye. For behold, I will wave My hand
> >> over them, so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you
> >> will know that the LORD of Hosts has sent Me. Sing for joy and be
> >> glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and will dwell in
> >> your midst,' declares the LORD. 'And many nations will join
> >> themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I
> >> will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts
> >> has sent Me to you.'"
> >>
> >> LORD of hosts sends LORD of hosts, here.
> >> God sends God
> >>
> >> That makes Ariaan happy!
> >> Yaaahooooo!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I can see Bobby looking through what his hebrew books have to say
> > about that fantastic passage right now.
> >
> > Life's hard when you claim to believe the Bible, but don't accept that
> > Christ is the Lord of Hosts.
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
> Yeah, I'm curious how he will explain this. I mean, it's in plain sight.
Not
> really material for a figurative meaning, I'd say.
>
> Ariaan
>
I predict five paragraphs of unreadable gibberish dressed up to look
scholarly, then an abrupt changing of the subject, probably combined with an
ad hominem attack on me.
That's if past performance is any indicator of future growth.
Uncle Davey
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