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<x-posted to soc.singles as special delivery to Danimal >
"Jerzy Jakubowski" <branchofjesse@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> dmocsny@mfm.com (The Danimal) wrote in message
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> > kim <kimonnetNOSPAM@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> > > On 22 Jan 2004 19:03:16 -0800, suse@pghmail.com (suse) wrote:
> > >
> > > >ibshambat2004@yahoo.com (Ilya Shambat) wrote in message
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> > > >> David O'Bedlam <thedavid@shell.rawbw.com> wrote in message
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> > > >> > Who's Uncle Davey?
> > > >>
> > > >> A dashing, brilliant Christian,
> >
> > "brilliant Christian" is an oxymoron.
>
> That's right, Dan, we're all thickoes in the Christian church.
>
> Only atheists have any brains.
>
> If it weren't for thickoes like us, all you atheists could be going
> round the shops buying bottles labelled 'H2O' instead of 'water', and
> 'C6H12O6' instead of sugar, but for us holding society back.
>
> >
> > Uncle Davey states as facts things he does not know to be facts.
> > That makes him a liar who invokes the "faith" excuse for his
> > lies.
>
> Faith means believing what does not pass as what you call a fact as if
> it was one. Faith may seem close to lies to you, and maybe faith is to
> lies what love is to hate, if I may observe that in my thicko way.
>
> >
> > If Uncle Davey were "brilliant" he would attach error bars to
> > his claims, to properly convey their uncertainty.
> >
>
> I would have thought you, of all people, would have known them to be
> uncertain without a thicko like me telling you.
>
> We do not need 'peel banana before eating' labels on every opinion
> about the meaining of life we give. YMMV is not the subtitle, it's the
> badge of the channel and only disappears when the ad breaks come up.
>
> > > >sure, he's articulate, but he's also a flaming hypocrite.
> >
> > Hard to know which part of the contradiction he's sincere about.
> > Admittedly, it's an interesting troll to pose as a creationist
> > christian whoremonger.
>
> I never stopped being a creationist even when I was completely
> backslidden.
>
> That's when I did that stuff. I was far from God, but I was still too
> thick and not intelligent enough to be an evolutionist, even though I
> so wanted to be one so that I could get on with my programme of
> debauchery without checks from my conscience.
>
> Now that I have found the woman who is right for me, I have stopped
> this other lifestyle, and I have been able to be restored more closely
> to the beliefs and practices I had before I fell away, the truth of
> which I never renounced, but was not strong enough to abide by in the
> face of temptation.
>
> > > >someone who
> > > >preaches from the bible, chapter and verse, maybe should be home with
> > > >his 1st wife and kids in england instead of whoring around europe.
> >
> > Only if he believes what Jesus said about marriage. Well,
> > according to the people wrote it down years later.
>
> I do. But Jesus doesn't say 'Let the wife decide what country the
> family are gonna live in, even when he does all the earning, she does
> all the spending, and his job is in the country she doesn't want to be
> in'. Paul has a word in such cases 'if the unbelieving depart, let him
> depart. The believer is not bound in such cases'. I was abandoned, and
> in the end I was on the receiving end of that divorce.
>
> Christian principles on me now mean to have that whole sinful episode
> repented of, to get it right next time, and to ensure the children of
> the first marriage are provided for. All these are done. That is all I
> can do.
>
> > > >instead he whined about his controlling (ex) mother-in-law, and then,
> > > >when he found a prostitute who was sufficiently nubile for his
tastes,
> > > >finally found the balls to divorce his wife officially and start a
> > > >"new" life with the his rescue project. baby in the works from the
> > > >start; screw the kids from the former marriage.
> > > >
> > > >just for the record, this is information i garnered from his poasts
in
> > > >soc.singles. google furiously for it; i won't provide references. if
> > > >you choose to believe in your deity, go for it; i won't argue. i
think
> > > >davey is shit, and given the susceptibility to spin of some rather
> > > >vocal contributors to this froup (as in nilo), maybe those
> > > >contributors want to do some more homework. only reason i posted.
> > > >
> > > >btw, "formerly occultist" is news to me, but makes sense. davey
> > > >doesn't work on rational. maybe that's why ilya and nilo like him.
> > >
> > > MMMMMRRRRROOOOOOOOWWWWWRRRRR.
> >
> > I'm guessing these Kim comment will be content-free.
> >
> > > Wow. Who pissed in your cornflakes?
> >
> > It's easy to be annoyed by liars. If one has intellectual
> > integrity.
>
> Not like Christians, especially ones that are anything less than
> non-fallen angels in human form. Christ came it says to call sinners
> and not the righteous, but woe betide anyone who takes that one
> seriously.
>
> > If someone prattled on about being a baseball player, then
> > habitually violated the rules of baseball, most people would
> > react in the way people usually react to pompous windbag
> > hypocrites.
> >
>
> There is one way to play baseball, or rounders, as we call it. I don't
> remember in my thickness any works righteousness versus salvation by
> faith and repentance dichotomy in that or any other game for the under
> 13s.
>
> > Humans apparently have evolved a genetic sensitivity to
> > hypocrisy. Pretending to be something you are not tends to
> > annoy people in every culture. Therefore the annoyance was
> > probably adaptive in the ancestral environment. Of course
> > Usenet is a different environment so our ancestral instincts
> > aren't as useful here.
>
> If I had hidden what I am, then you could have had more call to label
> me a hypocrite, but the dilemmas of my soul have been laid bare here
> often enough. I certainly don't make myself out to be good because of
> the faith. It is sinners Christ came for and I qualify more than most
> on the bad side.
>
> >
> > > IIRC, Davey wasn't being complimentary when he quoted the bible.
> > > Knowledge does not necessary go hand in hand with belief.
> > >
> > > What you also forget to mention is that he loves his children and
> > > hates his ex-wife and provides for them. Would it have been better
> > > for him to stay with his ex when he dislikes her?
> >
> > It would have been better, according to Davey's stated beliefs,
> > if he obeyed the Biblical command to love his wife. That is
> > his first wife, his real one, not the fake one he has now,
> > according to what Davey's precious Bible says.
> >
>
> Wifey is as wifey does.
>
> You call Yelena a fake wife and the first one a real one. Why isn't it
> the other way round?
>
> Who irons shirts? makes food? likes to spend time with me? never
> refuses physical comforts? always happy to see me? never shouts? is
> always able to understand and see eye to eye with me, and me with her?
> bears three children?
>
> Does that sound like a fake wife to you?
>
> Then I wish you by your own standards a genuine wife, one who does
> nothing but shout and scream, one who is even physically abusive, who
> doesn't even like spending time with you and wishes your enemies to
> triumph over you so she can laugh, one who turns your own kids by her
> against you and allows her mother to rule in the home and decide what
> is and isn't good for the children, who tells you last if she tells
> you at all what is going on, or even what country she is going to liv
> e in, who discloses herself as a catholic after marriage, while
> maskerading as something else prior to marriage, one who does no work
> and just spends everything you have, and then ends up taking you to
> the divorce court and wins from you more money than she could have
> earned in her entire life if she hadn't met you.
>
> That's what you are calling a real wife, so I wish you that.
>
> > I don't personally have a problem with Davey's claimed whoremongering
> > nor his personal attacks on the integrity of marriage, but according
> > the Bible I read, God does.
> >
>
> Your problem is with religion not based on works, then.
>
> Either we should have religion based on works, or if not then we
> should be atheists. Well, you had your chance to persuade me to be an
> atheist, but your arguments didn't hold water.
>
> > If God is OK with Uncle Davey, that's wonderful, but it does raise
> > the question of what God would not be OK with. I'm also wondering
> > at what point God changed his mind on things.
>
> You're like the elder brother of the prodigal son in Luke 15. I'm sure
> he wondered exactly the same things.
> >
> > Is there any sort of behavior, aside from acknowledging a Nilo
> > fault, that is incompatible with being a Christian?
> >
> > -- the Danimal
>
> I acknowledge all her faults, but I don't know what they are.
>
> Since she has looked for only good in me, I have extended to her the
> same courtesy.
>
> Best,
>
> Uncle Davey
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