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| Uncle Davey (noway@jose.com) |
2004/01/02 15:03 |
Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 02:41:23 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >news:fih9vvslvn26p0jffj9jas43dtku0hnmn3@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 01:58:19 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >> >news:2kf9vvk2pmfb4m024bjjcf5urlk35t861n@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:33:07 -0500, "Routerider"
> >> >> <oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> More phoney scholarship. That is not the origin of the word at
all.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It was coined by T H Huxley. It has no more Biblical Greek
> >provenance
> >> >than
> >> >> >> the word 'telephone'.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Keep it up. Every post you write shows how little you know.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Uncle Davey
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Here is what Merriam Webster says:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos
> >known,
> >> >from
> >> >> >gignOskein to know.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sounds to me like BB has it right.
> >> >>
> >> >> Especially since BB got it from there. Including the bottom part
that
> >> >> you didn't quote.
> >> >>
> >> >> I just got tired of seeing Jason calling people agnostics, atheists,
> >> >> and heretics because they don't bow down and worship him.
> >> >>
> >> >> Uncle Davey, you are doing the boy more harm than good. He needs to
> >> >> learn how to behave like a man and you are not helping him by trying
> >> >> to fight his battles for him.
> >> >>
> >> >> BB
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology by T. F. Hoad ISBN
> >> >0-19-861182-x is the standard etymological dictionary for English, and
> >that
> >> >is my source. That is why Hoad gives the actual coinage of the word,
> >where
> >> >as Mirriam Webster goes into the realm of folk etymology. A more
common
> >word
> >> >than 'gnOstos' was 'gnOrimos' for the meanings you give, (source,
Oxford
> >> >Classical Greek Dictionary) so were it not for the word being a much
> >later
> >> >coinage from Gnosticism and the gnostics, then the term would more
likely
> >> >have come to us as 'agnorimos'. It does actually come to us almost in
> >that
> >> >form anyway, but via Latin, which switched the vowels, so we have
> >> >'ignoramous'. A word, Bob, which you could justifiably tattoo on your
> >chest,
> >> >if tattoos were not expressly outlawed in the Old Testament.
> >> >
> >> >Best,
> >> >
> >> >Uncle Davey
> >> >
> >> Uncle Davey:
> >>
> >> Your foolishness surpasses your arrogance.
> >>
> >> I could care less what the Concise Oxford Dictionary of English
> >> Etymology says. Jason is the one calling people agnostics, atheists,
> >> and heretics. He is American and learns from American dictionaries
> >> and if you hadn't noticed he speaks American English and for the most
> >> part he is speaking to Americans. Besides, when it fits you can't
> >> acquit.
> >>
> >> Why don't you stop trying to stick up for Jason and let him clean up
> >> his own messes. We clean up after dogs and cats, not people. Or, are
> >> you trying to clean up Jason's messes to clear your own conscience?
> >>
> >> BB
> >
> >That's what people said when the Jews were attacked by the nazis, let
them
> >stick up for themselves.
> >
> >But Bonhoeffer was the one who gave the quote about how when they came
for
> >the Jews, he didn't do anything, because he wasn't a Jew, when they came
for
> >the Communists, he didn't do anything, because he wasn't one of them
either,
> >etc etc, and then when they came for me, there wasn't anyone left to
stick
> >up for me.
> >
> >Now it is Jason getting ganged up on, more than I am. But if he gets
> >finished off, then all of this hate will just devolve on me. You will be
> >ganging up with scientologists and atheists against me, if you can only
get
> >rid of the stronger one first...
> >
> >And if you don't like European source material about the Greek, find
> >yourself some Ancient Greeks in America, imperialistboy.
> >
> >Uncle Davey
> >
> Who are you trying to fool? Jason is the one that has been behaving
> like a Nazi. Jason is the one that desires to insult and killfile
> his brothers in Christ. Jason is the one that says do as I say or you
> are a heretic and atheist or an agnostic. And by the way Jason is the
> associated with that guy whose involved in the Anti-Jew movement. So
> why are you linking me to the Jews?
If you are talking about Roadrunner, then I'm still waiting to see if he is
willing to cough to anti-semitism or Holocaust denial or whether he will say
that he loves the Jewish nation and acknowledges the Shoah.
It is only right to keep people time to defend themselves. There is no way
that Jason will fail to distance himself from that in exactly the same way
that he distanced himself from your error also, if it is true that
Roadrunner has that view and/or the scientology related view.
> You are too dramatic Uncle Davey. No one has proposed hurting Jason.
> In fact, if anyone is on his side it's me. At least I have enough
> tough love in me to talk to him straight up so that he can recognize
> his error and correct it. And who apologizes when they are wrong? I
> do. You saw Jasons pseudo apology and mine as well.
Thank you for admitting to pseudo-apology.
Unlike you, Jason stopped mentioning you after the apology he made, so it
wasn't pseudo. Even Constance lightened up considerably after her apology to
you. You're the only one who still attacks and goads Jason several times a
day, having in the first place encouraged atheists and wiccans to give him
what you think he deserves.
You might at least be 'Merican enough to 'fess up to it.
> Jason is not getting ganged up on. I am, but that's ok cause I can
> take it. Jason sowed and now he is reaping and you getting trying to
> get in the way of spiritual laws is hurting him not helping him. Why
> would I need atheists and scientologists to help me with you? You are
> a big teddy bear (in a good way). The most you do is anoy me. If it
> weren't for the fact that you try to add the trinity to God plan of
> salvation and thereby put a stumbling block in the path of those who
> might be saved we would be just fine. You know as well as I do that
> Jews and Muslims, and American black followers of Farakan, for
> example, are going to balk at the trinity. What you are preaching is
> dangerous, otherwise I wouldn't say anything (unless it was something
> else that is bad and can hurt someone).
A Jesus who is not God cannot die for the forgiveness of sins.
>
> I thought the British were the Imperialists?
>
The student has overtaken the teacher.
> Look, I am not trying to get rid of anyone. I really do like Jason
> even when he is doing wrong. But I do not like his behavior. More
> often than not I am able to separate the person from the problem and
> go after the problem which is what I have tried to do with Jason.
> Sometimes, I let it get personal and when I do that is wrong. You
> ought to be thankful that Jason and I have the strong feelings we
> have. We may not be on the same side all the time, but we serve the
> same Lord Jesus Christ.
>
> BB
Except one of you serves the Christ who is God, and the other the one who
isn't?
Uncle Davey
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