Uzytkownik "David Jensen" <david@dajensen-family.deletethis.com> napisal w
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> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 02:41:23 +0100, in free.christians
> "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote in
> <bt2iog$mrf$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>:
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> >Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >news:fih9vvslvn26p0jffj9jas43dtku0hnmn3@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 01:58:19 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> >> >news:2kf9vvk2pmfb4m024bjjcf5urlk35t861n@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:33:07 -0500, "Routerider"
> >> >> <oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> More phoney scholarship. That is not the origin of the word at
all.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It was coined by T H Huxley. It has no more Biblical Greek
> >provenance
> >> >than
> >> >> >> the word 'telephone'.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Keep it up. Every post you write shows how little you know.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Uncle Davey
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >Here is what Merriam Webster says:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos
> >known,
> >> >from
> >> >> >gignOskein to know.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Sounds to me like BB has it right.
> >> >>
> >> >> Especially since BB got it from there. Including the bottom part
that
> >> >> you didn't quote.
> >> >>
> >> >> I just got tired of seeing Jason calling people agnostics, atheists,
> >> >> and heretics because they don't bow down and worship him.
> >> >>
> >> >> Uncle Davey, you are doing the boy more harm than good. He needs to
> >> >> learn how to behave like a man and you are not helping him by trying
> >> >> to fight his battles for him.
> >> >>
> >> >> BB
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology by T. F. Hoad ISBN
> >> >0-19-861182-x is the standard etymological dictionary for English, and
> >that
> >> >is my source. That is why Hoad gives the actual coinage of the word,
> >where
> >> >as Mirriam Webster goes into the realm of folk etymology. A more
common
> >word
> >> >than 'gnOstos' was 'gnOrimos' for the meanings you give, (source,
Oxford
> >> >Classical Greek Dictionary) so were it not for the word being a much
> >later
> >> >coinage from Gnosticism and the gnostics, then the term would more
likely
> >> >have come to us as 'agnorimos'. It does actually come to us almost in
> >that
> >> >form anyway, but via Latin, which switched the vowels, so we have
> >> >'ignoramous'. A word, Bob, which you could justifiably tattoo on your
> >chest,
> >> >if tattoos were not expressly outlawed in the Old Testament.
> >> >
> >> >Best,
> >> >
> >> >Uncle Davey
> >> >
> >> Uncle Davey:
> >>
> >> Your foolishness surpasses your arrogance.
> >>
> >> I could care less what the Concise Oxford Dictionary of English
> >> Etymology says. Jason is the one calling people agnostics, atheists,
> >> and heretics. He is American and learns from American dictionaries
> >> and if you hadn't noticed he speaks American English and for the most
> >> part he is speaking to Americans. Besides, when it fits you can't
> >> acquit.
> >>
> >> Why don't you stop trying to stick up for Jason and let him clean up
> >> his own messes. We clean up after dogs and cats, not people. Or, are
> >> you trying to clean up Jason's messes to clear your own conscience?
> >>
> >> BB
> >
> >That's what people said when the Jews were attacked by the nazis, let
them
> >stick up for themselves.
> >
> >But Bonhoeffer was the one who gave the quote about how when they came
for
> >the Jews, he didn't do anything, because he wasn't a Jew, when they came
for
> >the Communists, he didn't do anything, because he wasn't one of them
either,
> >etc etc, and then when they came for me, there wasn't anyone left to
stick
> >up for me.
> >
> >Now it is Jason getting ganged up on, more than I am.
>
> Jason isn't being ganged up on. People are pointing out his lies and he
> refuses to take responsibility for them or repent of them. Since you
> brought it up, Jason is the one who is using the propaganda skills of
> the Nazis and Communists -- repeating lies incessantly and ignoring
> those who point out that they are lies. Why defend that behavior?
>
> >But if he gets
> >finished off, then all of this hate will just devolve on me. You will be
> >ganging up with scientologists and atheists against me, if you can only
get
> >rid of the stronger one first...
>
> Why would we? Are you an unrepentant liar and libeller of scientists? Do
> you claim to be perfect in your understanding of God? Do you understand
> the Bible perfectly?
No I'm not and I don't but neither is/does he.
Uncle Davey
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