On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 02:41:23 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
wrote:
>
>Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>news:fih9vvslvn26p0jffj9jas43dtku0hnmn3@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2004 01:58:19 +0100, "Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> napisal w wiadomosci
>> >news:2kf9vvk2pmfb4m024bjjcf5urlk35t861n@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:33:07 -0500, "Routerider"
>> >> <oneznzeroz@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Uncle Davey" <noway@jose.com> wrote ...
>> >> >
>> >> >> More phoney scholarship. That is not the origin of the word at all.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It was coined by T H Huxley. It has no more Biblical Greek
>provenance
>> >than
>> >> >> the word 'telephone'.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Keep it up. Every post you write shows how little you know.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Uncle Davey
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >Here is what Merriam Webster says:
>> >> >
>> >> >Etymology: Greek agnOstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnOstos
>known,
>> >from
>> >> >gignOskein to know.
>> >> >
>> >> >Sounds to me like BB has it right.
>> >>
>> >> Especially since BB got it from there. Including the bottom part that
>> >> you didn't quote.
>> >>
>> >> I just got tired of seeing Jason calling people agnostics, atheists,
>> >> and heretics because they don't bow down and worship him.
>> >>
>> >> Uncle Davey, you are doing the boy more harm than good. He needs to
>> >> learn how to behave like a man and you are not helping him by trying
>> >> to fight his battles for him.
>> >>
>> >> BB
>> >>
>> >
>> >The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology by T. F. Hoad ISBN
>> >0-19-861182-x is the standard etymological dictionary for English, and
>that
>> >is my source. That is why Hoad gives the actual coinage of the word,
>where
>> >as Mirriam Webster goes into the realm of folk etymology. A more common
>word
>> >than 'gnOstos' was 'gnOrimos' for the meanings you give, (source, Oxford
>> >Classical Greek Dictionary) so were it not for the word being a much
>later
>> >coinage from Gnosticism and the gnostics, then the term would more likely
>> >have come to us as 'agnorimos'. It does actually come to us almost in
>that
>> >form anyway, but via Latin, which switched the vowels, so we have
>> >'ignoramous'. A word, Bob, which you could justifiably tattoo on your
>chest,
>> >if tattoos were not expressly outlawed in the Old Testament.
>> >
>> >Best,
>> >
>> >Uncle Davey
>> >
>> Uncle Davey:
>>
>> Your foolishness surpasses your arrogance.
>>
>> I could care less what the Concise Oxford Dictionary of English
>> Etymology says. Jason is the one calling people agnostics, atheists,
>> and heretics. He is American and learns from American dictionaries
>> and if you hadn't noticed he speaks American English and for the most
>> part he is speaking to Americans. Besides, when it fits you can't
>> acquit.
>>
>> Why don't you stop trying to stick up for Jason and let him clean up
>> his own messes. We clean up after dogs and cats, not people. Or, are
>> you trying to clean up Jason's messes to clear your own conscience?
>>
>> BB
>
>That's what people said when the Jews were attacked by the nazis, let them
>stick up for themselves.
>
>But Bonhoeffer was the one who gave the quote about how when they came for
>the Jews, he didn't do anything, because he wasn't a Jew, when they came for
>the Communists, he didn't do anything, because he wasn't one of them either,
>etc etc, and then when they came for me, there wasn't anyone left to stick
>up for me.
>
>Now it is Jason getting ganged up on, more than I am. But if he gets
>finished off, then all of this hate will just devolve on me. You will be
>ganging up with scientologists and atheists against me, if you can only get
>rid of the stronger one first...
>
>And if you don't like European source material about the Greek, find
>yourself some Ancient Greeks in America, imperialistboy.
>
>Uncle Davey
>
Who are you trying to fool? Jason is the one that has been behaving
like a Nazi. Jason is the one that desires to insult and killfile
his brothers in Christ. Jason is the one that says do as I say or you
are a heretic and atheist or an agnostic. And by the way Jason is the
associated with that guy whose involved in the Anti-Jew movement. So
why are you linking me to the Jews?
You are too dramatic Uncle Davey. No one has proposed hurting Jason.
In fact, if anyone is on his side it's me. At least I have enough
tough love in me to talk to him straight up so that he can recognize
his error and correct it. And who apologizes when they are wrong? I
do. You saw Jasons pseudo apology and mine as well.
Jason is not getting ganged up on. I am, but that's ok cause I can
take it. Jason sowed and now he is reaping and you getting trying to
get in the way of spiritual laws is hurting him not helping him. Why
would I need atheists and scientologists to help me with you? You are
a big teddy bear (in a good way). The most you do is anoy me. If it
weren't for the fact that you try to add the trinity to God plan of
salvation and thereby put a stumbling block in the path of those who
might be saved we would be just fine. You know as well as I do that
Jews and Muslims, and American black followers of Farakan, for
example, are going to balk at the trinity. What you are preaching is
dangerous, otherwise I wouldn't say anything (unless it was something
else that is bad and can hurt someone).
I thought the British were the Imperialists?
Look, I am not trying to get rid of anyone. I really do like Jason
even when he is doing wrong. But I do not like his behavior. More
often than not I am able to separate the person from the problem and
go after the problem which is what I have tried to do with Jason.
Sometimes, I let it get personal and when I do that is wrong. You
ought to be thankful that Jason and I have the strong feelings we
have. We may not be on the same side all the time, but we serve the
same Lord Jesus Christ.
BB
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